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[-] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 0 points 18 hours ago

hey man. don't let your reality get in the way of my delusional ideology where abolishing the police will solve all social problems and criminality doesn't exist if there are no police to arrest you.

[-] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

You're arguing against a strawman. See the final chapter of Our Enemies in Blue by Kristian Williams for more details on possible alternatives, including historical examples. And the whole book makes a compelling, intricately cited argument for police abolition.

The fact is, the police do provide an important community service—offering protection against crime. They do not do this job well, or fairly, and it is not their chief function, but they do it, and it brings them legitimacy.[1584] Even people who dislike and fear them often feel that they need the cops. Maybe we can do without omnipresent surveillance, racial profiling, and institutionalized violence, but most people have been willing to accept these features of policing, if somewhat grudgingly, because they have been packaged together with things we cannot do without—crime control, security, and public safety. It is not enough, then, to relate to police power only in terms of repression; we must also remember the promise of protection, since this legitimates the institution.

Because the state uses this protective function to justify its own violence, the replacement of the police institution is not only a goal of social change, but also a means of achieving it. The challenge is to create another system that can protect us from crime, and can do so better, more justly, with a respect for human rights, and with a minimum of bullying. What is needed, in short, is a shift in the responsibility for public safety—away from the state and toward the community.

It should be noted that Williams is working under a tweaked definition of "crime" in this context, a phenomenon that anarchists do not deny exists.

The point here is that the standards I want to appeal to in invoking the idea of crime are not the state’s standards, but the community’s—and, specifically, the community’s standards as they relate to justice, rights, personal safety, and perhaps especially the question of violence.

All emphases mine.

[-] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 0 points 15 hours ago

i'm not arguing.

i'm making a sarcastic comment.

[-] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

You: Calls me delusional
Me: provide evidence that I understand the situation as well as you do
You: Yeah well I never cared, I just wanted to be a douchebag without consequences

I see ya

[-] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 0 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

delusional people tend to make up and cherry pick evidence to support their delusions, yes.

but you go ahead and abolish the NYPD yourself? Since mandani isn't going to do it for you.

[-] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Then go read what I posted and show us which part of what I said is a delusion, or shut the fuck up.

Edit:

but you go ahead and abolish the NYPD yourself? Since mandani isn't going to do it for you.

Actually that is the more realistic outcome IMO, i.e. the community in New York getting together and abolishing the NYPD from the bottom up, because a system designed to uphold capitalism, racism, and colonialism will never be used to truly abolish those forms of domination. Frankly, Mamdani "abolishing" the police with his pen would neither be sufficient nor necessary to practically abolish the NYPD, but it would be a nice symbolic gesture.

[-] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 0 points 15 hours ago

nah, i'd rather not be harassed into silence by some ideaolog who is objectively wrong.

but again, please go tell mandani to abolish the police. are you even a nyc resident? at least then he would have some obligation to listen to you.

i'm not a nyc resident, so my opinion on what mandani should do is utterly pointless to express, other than jerking myself off about it.

[-] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

nah, i'd rather not be harassed into silence by some ideaolog who is objectively wrong.

Yeah me too buddy, same with everyone else, which is why centrist ideologues like you pretend like you don't have an ideology or that your views are just common sense.

Like I'm absolutely thrilled to have constructive discussions about our disagreements, but if you want to start a pissing match then I will 1000000% flood you with piss, whatever amount of piss is required for you to learn not to do it again.

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