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Australian culture is one founded on racism. What disgusts me is while the yes campaign is trying to do something about it, the no campaign is fighting for the status quo and then arguing that they aren't racist.
The cognitive dissonance of the no side astounds me; there were actual Nazis marching towards Vic Parliament yesterday, and they were waving no flags. Is that really the kind of person no voters wish to stand with?
I feel though for us yes voters it is our duty to push back against this shit. To actually push back against Murdoch and his bullshit. To talk to family members, and cut them off if they keep doing this shit.
Ultimately, everyone is capable of racism. The problem is the refusal of no voters to truly consider how they are racist, and then to improve.
The Tent Embassy has had a big banner out the front for months telling people to vote no, I guess someone should pop over and inform them they need to truly consider how they are racist...
Calm down buddy, a no vote isn't always going to be a vote for racism and this is shown by the fact that many of the indigenous people can't agree that this is a good thing, or even agree with each other. A no vote can also be a vote of uncertainty and due to history of political failures
He's lumping progressive no voters in with Nazis right out of the gate, you will get no where talking to him.
More realistically, I think he's just betting that you can just reason down a no vote to a racist fact. IIUC the line of thinking from this video. I'm yet to hear a non-racist view of a (conservative) no vote.
The "progressive" no vote, I have some respect for, but I also don't think it's a mainstream view, nor is it actually reasonable. It expects some sort of magical thinking that not having a voice will somehow get us closer to a treaty.
Not every indigenous person needs to come to a consensus. The vast majority of community leaders have come up with a plan. Focusing on the minority of voices is really just rhetoric in place of an argument.
Allowing people to conflate all no voters with Nazis, because yes there are Nazis around, is chucking the baby out with the bath water.
The progressive no campaign absolutely has a point. Arguably a treaty has been achieved in Western Australia with the Noongar people and the world didn't implode.
https://www.wa.gov.au/organisation/department-of-the-premier-and-cabinet/south-west-native-title-settlement
https://www.atns.net.au/hobbs-and-williams-on-the-noongar-settlement
There is the possibility that voting for a voice now means a treaty would lack political capital or public approval for decades to come because we already voted for a voice.
Despite what some here may claim I count myself in the progressive no camp; this won't be solved until we have treaty and merely saying that we will "get to it" in the future isn't enough.
Martin Luther King said this on white moderates and their timelines and I believe it is true here, where this referendum only reflects actions on a white moderates timetable.
To reiterate, I do have respect for the view, but you actually stated the bit I find unrealistic:
I don't think the voice is an insufficient response to delay a sufficient one, and I do know what the insufficient response looks like. The reason is:
If your goal really is to try and change some perspectives, then I would recommend reading this article on how to talk with others about racism.
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/02/social-psychologist-offers-key-to-ending-racism/
GAZETTE:How do you break through?
LIVINGSTON: I’ll start with the discomfort. People are afraid of conflict in these kinds of conversations. But research has shown that conflict can actually be productive, if it’s the right type of conflict. Task-based conflict is when people disagree about the best course of action. And person-based conflict is when you say, “I think you’re an idiot for [arguing that viewpoint].” So try to focus on the problem and not the person. The second thing is to engage in conversations with curiosity and not with certainty. Research shows it’s much more productive to be in what is called inquiry mode versus advocacy mode. What you’re trying to do in these conversations is either to discover what the truth is — by asking questions — or to discover a common ground. And you can’t do that if you’re too deeply entrenched in your own convictions or ideological position.