Ahsoka Tano? A Social Democrat
Sickest burn, and so accurate too
Especially her arc in Mando. Like, you leave the Jedi order because they suck, sure, and your better alternative is to tell a toddler they can't see their dad anymore? Yeah. Ok, Ahsoka.
What's Gulp Shitto's tendency?
Dumb guy socialism
sov cit, died after order 66 when he got pulled over and instead of playing it cool he started yelling about being a citizen traveling across space and not needing a license, then they smoked him
his last words on the stormtrooper's body cam were "midichlorians are turning the fucking frogs gay"
Ok Ezra, mr. Can Speak With the Space Whales being a Posadist is fucking BRILLIANT
I thought saw was the maoist. What is he then?
Anarchist based on a line in Andor season 1
Wish they’d gone more in depth in exploring his groups workings since nothing about what is shown really portrays a horizontal leadership structure.
Makhno's anarchists weren't horizontal either in pre-soviet russia. Makhno advocated for and practiced a vanguard anarchist group which diverges quite a bit from what is currently popular anarchism (and was divergent for his time too).
Given that Andor is basically all based on Russian revolution with divergence to make Disney's sequels work (IE all the radical left leaders die leaving only the liberal shits leftover to lead the revolution straight back into a repeat of the republic) it's easy to assume that Saw is Makhno.
Thank you for the context! I saw some similarities with the Russian Revolution like the heist with Andor basically just being what Stalin did but hadn’t considered this connection.
My take is that Andor is Stalin, Luthen is Lenin, Saw is Makhno, Nemik is "revolutionary theory" and every chance for something different died with these characters. Instead what ended up happening was the liberals taking over. Andor's story is a February revolution without the October revolution, it just leads into them wanting to rebuild the Republic and nobody has any desire to change any of the contradictions that exist in the galaxy. Look at the droids, look at the aliens, look at how human-supremacist the galaxy is, look at how unequal it is. This isn't just a product of the empire it was this bad before the empire took over, the empire just took off the mask.
These characters saw that, to different extents each. The liberals hate Luthen specifically because they see him as a radical that wants to do something different.
Also Luthen's hospital room is shot the same way Lenin's tomb gets photographed very intentionally.
I like the interpretation but I eouldnt confuse it with authority intent. I dont think the creators read that deep into soviet history aside from reading a book about Stalin
There is much more to the depth of this show and the history they're tapping into than many realise. Play Unto Stone at 3:25 and listen to the pipes https://youtu.be/R7NEHsuXHww?list=PL_2m5sLOhDdu3PLkshR0tZ6rHCAOvn8qb&t=205
Then play Tema di Ali from Battle Of Algiers and wait for the pipes to kick in at 0:27 https://youtu.be/aAQpSkWt6SI
There is more knowledge and more that they're pulling from other parts of communist film history hidden within Andor if you really dig. Everything they have done is extremely deliberate and not accidental.
Or a film director knew about a film wirh revolutionary vibes and a score by one of the best to do it and ripped it off.
A bit cynical.
its star wars
Have you watched it yet?
i have. but like, its not that deep
Compared to what? Which contemporary serialised media is better? I can't name one. We can go big and say the early GoT serie (not the late ones) or Breaking Bad. Andor is significantly better than both. Why be so dismissive?
What high art are you comparing it to that's so much better that it deserves to be so incredibly dismissive? Because if you've got something better to suggest that released in the last 20 years then I'd like to add it to my list. Chernobyl gets to go up there I suppose but it still had some brainworms, Handmaid's Tale was alright, Westworld not in the running, House of Cards is really trashy and not down to earth by comparison compared.. I don't know what I would say was better. Maybe Utopia? That was pretty rad. It shares some of the same production team members though lol.
I feel like you're being overly dismissive in a "it's star wars lol" kind of way instead of an honest comparison of the show to pretty much any other serialised content in the last 25 years. If we reel off names of series and ask which was better and has more depth to read into or analyse it comes out ahead quite a lot unless you're just wilfully trying to ignore that they're not really telling a Star Wars story, they're telling a communist story with a Star Wars skin as a way to get it past bean counters and execs.
We are talking about the American film industry here
Andor was shot in Britain and had a British production team.
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Gilroy says he's done a lot of reading on revolutions in general, just because he finds it interesting. He did an interview on the Jon Stewart podcast along with Mike Duncan of the Revolutions podcast where they talked a bit about the inspirations behind Andor and the revolutionary potential in the current US climate.
Mike Duncan of the Revolutions podcast
Very worth listening to btw. Especially the season on the Haitian revolution, which is ignored too much.
The longest and most in depth season though is the Russian one, which is season 10, and has over 100 episodes if I recall, or abut 50 hours...
Wasnt the French one longer?
French one (season 3) has 54 episodes according to the libsyn archives while Russia (season 10) has 103 episodes.
Yet he works for Disney
"I'm condemned to use the tools of my enemy to defeat them."
Me using scissors
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A book written by a weirdo who is NOT a historian and has British brainworms at that
Luthen makes me think of Nechayev more than Lenin. Especially his speech to Lonny (idk how to spell it) in the elevator about sacrificing everything including your humanity for revolution. It reminds me of Nechayev's catechism
As for Andor himself, he doesn't really strike me as Stalin-like. Andor dies young. Stalin died old. Andor never held any kind of political power in a government, Stalin did. The politics of the rebels in Star Wars strike me as more like bourgeois liberalism than Communism. They're trying to restore a Republic (that confusingly has a princess and an order of quasi-religious knights, which sounds more feudal) that has "decayed" into an empire. But really a Republic can be an empire anyway. See America.
There's clearly some Communist influence in the writing and Nemik's hat looks very much like a budenovka, but the parallels to the October revolution are few and far between I think.
They're trying to restore a Republic (that confusingly has a princess and an order of quasi-religious knights, which sounds more feudal) that has "decayed" into an empire.
Nobody is doing that until Episodes IV-VI. In Andor's time it's simply a rebellion to end the empire. It's the opportunists who who turn it into restoration of the republic and no radicals survive to oppose them.
If Nemik were alive when the Rebellion army was training and fully professionalising on Endor he would have insisted on theoretical education forming part of the the Rebellion army's curriculum and there you go, you have a real revolution instead of a restoration.
The problem is that anyone who would've opposed a restoration and insisted on something different is dead, or they're like Saw who was intentionally kept on the fringe by these liberals because they knew he was a threat to them. They call him "mad" not because he's actually mad but because he does not want what they want, and Saw openly discusses the different views everyone has with Luthen when trying to pry into what Luthen's real ideology was. Luthen, like Lenin, had one true ideology, the ideology of revolution, and everything else was subordinate to achieving that one task first and then transitioning to the task of actually taking power when it was clear the first revolution alone was not going to achieve socialism. This is exactly the mindset we see in Luthen, except one problem, he and everyone else dies in this universe because it MUST fail because Disney's sequels are ideologically dogshit. And that's why they suck ass and feel bad to the audience too.
Saw is Makhno
Oh for sure, Makhno mistake about it
the only one with clarity of purpose!
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