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Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
More telegram channels here for those interested.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is still Palestine, though we will switch next week to a new country.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

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Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The signposts for ‘the path to San Francisco’ are very clear: Global Times editorial

During his three-day visit to Washington, Wang held two rounds of talks with US Secretary of State Antony Blinken, totaling more than 7 hours, and had a discussion with Assistant to the US President for National Security Affairs Jake Sullivan for over an hour. He also had a one-hour meeting with US President Joe Biden at the White House. The topics covered in this series of high-intensity talks were quite extensive, covering almost all hot issues in US-China relations and international affairs. Through these in-depth, constructive, and substantive strategic communications, China and the US have jointly sent positive signals for stabilizing and improving bilateral relations.

The temperature of China-US relations seems to be rising, and many people have such a feeling. While Wang was visiting the US, California Governor Gavin Newsom was also visiting China. He generously praised China's governance and development achievements and said "the more successful China is, the more successful we all will be," receiving a sincere welcome from Chinese society. As an official with relatively fewer domestic political agenda constraints, Newsom can speak relatively freely in China without much political burden. However, we believe that his expressions in China are not deliberately catering to others, but rather heartfelt. This also indirectly reflects the nature of mutually beneficial and win-win relations between China and the US will be more evident when political and ideological interference is excluded. This is actually the normal state of China-US exchanges

They actualy believe the American BS? Also Global times editors needing some lesson on Marxism and imperialism too, they apparently never asked themselves why that was the norm and what happened that resulted this change from the "norm". They're really clueless aren't they? Like not even clueless about FP but clearly absolutely clueless about the anti-China factor in US politics in general? Is this all it takes? Tell the CPC what they want to hear and they'll do whatever for you? All of that posturing over Pelosi, all the posturing about cutting off high level talks, all it takes is some random Democrat cuck to tell them "ah yes actualy we want nothing but cooperation! Realy! This carrier in the SCS? Oh don't worry its just to make sure we cooperate fully and respectfully, I mean it would be a shame otherwise right?"

I fear the thought the CPC is actually this stupid and clueless but I can't wait to call this a W for them actually inspite of another round of US sanctions against China and/or BRICS countries, Biden will go around the media telling everyone how tough he was over "dictator" Xi.

Maybe this is all about Newsom as Biden's successor, its the only thing that makes sense.

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago

Libya expels the ambassadors of Britain, the United States, France and Italy from the country because of their governments’ position on the situation in Gaza.

[-] DoobKIller@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago

Could I BE anymore dead?

(you'll find this funny within the next hour)

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago

https://streamable.com/if98x0

🇵🇸❌🇮🇱 — On October 21, 2023, the Al-Quds Brigades, the military wing of Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), published a propaganda video, threatening the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) against a ground invasion of Gaza

During the footage, Al-Quds Brigades fighters are seen moving inside the underground tunnels of Gaza, as well resting and reading the Quran preparing for a possible battle inside the Bunkers that exist under Gaza strip

According to War Noir (https://t.me/war_noir/13525), PIJ fighters are armed with AK-103-2 rifles (from 🇱🇾 Libya), 🇷🇸 Yugoslavian M70B1 rifle with a rare silencer/suppressor, RPG-7 Launchers with PG-7V/M rockets, 🇨🇳 Chinese Type 56-1 rifles, PKM/Type 80 machine guns, AKM rifles and explosives/grenades.

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago

🔴Kan Hebrew Channel:

Israel informed the mediators that it is ready to consider a large-scale prisoner deal with the Gaza Strip, leading to the release of a large number of israelis, this is what a political official familiar with the ongoing talks with Qatar, Egypt and other mediators told the channel.

According to reports in various media outlets, Hamas is demanding the transfer of fuel to Gaza, the release of Palestinian prisoners, and a ceasefire - and the political official replied: “Things are approaching the moment of maturity, and we will soon know where they are headed.”

Potential direction of current talks might be crucial.

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Explosions being reported in Eilat, no confirmation yet.

This particular location seems geographically relevant to keep an eye on. It's Israel's southern port and the location closest to another Jordan town that could flare up. Israelis and Jordanians living less than 5km apart here.

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[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago

Second Palestinian killed in latest Israeli raid in the occupied West Bank

The director of Jenin Governmental Hospital, Wissam Bakr, identified the second person killed early on Monday as Nawras Ibrahim Bawaji. He was 28 years old.

Bawaji and Amir Abdullah Sharbaji were both shot by Israeli forces during the raid, which we reported earlier near the Ibn Sina Hospital in Jenin.

At least nine other people were reported injured, according to the Palestinian news agency, Wafa.

Among those injured was a young man, who was hit by missile fragments following a drone strike on the home of the Qaniri family in Jenin.

A video posted by Al Jazeera Arabic on X, formerly Twitter, also showed a bulldozer in the process of destroying a gate in the Jenin refugee camp.

[The tweet - Nitter]

Meanwhile, Al Jazeera’s Charles Stratford, who is reporting form Ramallah, also in the occupied West Bank, confirmed from sources that at least 20 people were detained in a separate raid in the Palestinian territory.

Since the October 7 Hamas attack in Israeli, at least 114 people, including children, have been killed in the occupied West Bank. At least 1,600 have been arrested.

- Al Jazeera

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[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago

Israeli cops aggressively pushed people away with batons at the al-Aqsa mosque. Several of the people pushed in this way were older women.

Scuffles break out between worshippers and Israeli police outside the Al-Aqsa mosque

Scuffles broke out between Israeli police and Muslim worshippers wishing to pray at the al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem’s Old City just after midday on Friday.

A group of heavily armed police officers sealed off an entrance to the compound near the city’s Lion’s Gate, at times aggressively pushing people away with batons.

People who were turned away told CNN they were not given any reason why they were not allowed to attend the prayer service at the mosque.

They told CNN they believed “the officers’ mood” was the decisive factor. CNN witnessed numerous incidents of officers pushing people away after they approached the entrance and asked why they were not allowed in.

Several of the people pushed in this way were older women. CNN did not see any worshippers initiating a physical altercation or trying to push their way into the compound.

Police didn’t give any specific answers to questions from CNN about why some people were not allowed to enter.

There appeared to be disagreements between different officers on who should be allowed in and who should be turned away.

After witnessing several police officers pushing an elderly woman out of the way, the CNN team was also told to leave and was also pushed away.

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-10-27-23/h_9485776bf1ebd8f7c8d6679d9a4c931b

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[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

watching Palestinians whose Twitter accounts I have followed for years - both regular citizens and journalists - go from posts of desperation about the current hell in Gaza to silence and then the announcement of their deaths is a modern horror I don't really have the words for

Nitter

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Aljazeera' s brave veteran journalist Wael Dahdouh's wife, son and daughter were killed in an Israeli airstrike which targeted a shelter house they had fled to. Wael received the news while on air covering the nonstop Israeli strikes on Gaza!

Nitter

There are two raw video clips at the link.

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[-] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Per MoA:

Jake Sullivan, National Security Advisor and dimwit, had written a laudation of his own and his bosses foreign policy for the November print edition of Foreign Affairs. The piece was finalized before the war in Palestine had begun.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/system/files/pdf/2023/FA_102_6_ND2023_Sullivan_print_edition_version.pdf

this is 22 pages of drivel, truly putting the cope in cornucopia. here are some excerpts

spoiler

The Biden administration understands the new realities of power. And that is why we will leave America stronger than we found it.

The United States’ alliances and partnerships with other democracies have been its greatest international advantage. They helped create a freer and more stable world. They helped deter aggression or reverse it. And they meant that Washington never had to go it alone. But these alliances were built for a different era. In recent years, the United States was underutilizing or even undermining them. President Biden was clear from the moment he took over about the importance he attached to U.S. alliances, especially given his predecessor’s skepticism of them.

'other democracies' doing a lot of work there, winnowing down the world to the golf course countries. and of course the US is famous for never going it alone. they always find a way to cajole/coerce/threaten allies into contributing token support for idiotic projects.

For example, we have mobilized a global coalition of countries to support Ukraine as it defends itself against an unprovoked war of aggression and to impose costs on Russia. NATO has expanded to include Finland, soon to be followed by Sweden—two historically nonaligned nations. NATO has also adjusted its posture on its eastern flank, deployed a capability to respond to cyberattacks against its members, and invested in its air and missile defenses. And the United States and the EU have dramatically deepened cooperation on economics, energy, technology, and national security.

We didn't win in ukraine but hey at least finland and sweden are maybe joining NATO now. what a booby prize. and 'dramatically deepened cooperation on energy' yes indeed, ask the germans and the poles.

Roughly 20 NATO countries are on track to meet the target of spending two percent of their GDPs on defense in 2024, up from just seven countries in 2022.

and for this increase in spending we are producing even more weapons think tanks and conferences than ever before.

The first year of the COVID-19 pandemic showed that if the United States is unwilling to lead efforts to solve global problems, no one else will step into the breach. In 2020, many world leaders were barely on speaking terms. The G-7 struggled to coalesce when COVID-19 struck. Instead of coordinating closely, countries undertook disparate efforts that made the pandemic more severe than it might otherwise have been.

this is literally the stupidest thing I've ever read about the global response to COVID.

As a cornerstone of this effort, the administration is modernizing the World Bank so it can address today’s challenges with sufficient speed and scale, and we are working with partners to significantly increase the bank’s financing, including to low- and middle-income countries.

Now that we've jacked interest rates, we are taking advantage of the second volcker shock.

The Biden administration inherited a massive gap between ambition and reality when it comes to carbon mitigation. The United States is now driving the global deployment of clean energy technology at scale.

Insane head in the sand hubris, obviously the leader here is China and by miles and miles.

In addition to modernizing the World Bank, the president has also proposed giving developing countries a greater say at the International Monetary Fund. The administration will continue to try to reform the World Trade Organization so it can drive the clean energy transition, protect workers, and promote inclusive and sustainable growth while continuing to uphold competition, openness, transparency, and the rule of law.

are you still talking about keeping the US veto over world bank issues? yes? ok go fuck yourself. this is just about trying to cement developing nations to the anglosphere so they don't get drawn into China's sphere of influence.

...China’s breakneck military modernization and its growing military provocations in the East China and South China Seas and the Taiwan Strait.

damn dude why would china have military interests in the ocean immediately off its coast, damn

This transition [leaving afghanistan] was unquestionably painful—especially for the people of Afghanistan and for the U.S. troops and other personnel who served there.

do we have a saigon emoji?

Indeed, although the Middle East remains beset with perennial challenges, the region is quieter than it has been for decades.

data-laughing

His approach returns discipline to U.S. policy. It emphasizes deterring aggression, de-escalating conflicts, and integrating the region through joint infrastructure projects and new partnerships, including between Israel and its Arab neighbors. And it is bearing fruit.

Challenges remain. The Israeli-Palestinian situation is tense, particularly in the West Bank, but in the face of serious frictions, we have de-escalated crises in Gaza and restored direct diplomacy between the parties after years of its absence. Iran remains a threat, and its nuclear program a global challenge. We have acted militarily to protect U.S. personnel, and we have enhanced deterrence, combined with diplomacy, to discourage further aggression. We are committed to ensuring that Iran never obtains a nuclear weapon. And while military force must never be a tool of first resort, we stand ready and prepared to use it when necessary to protect U.S. personnel and interests in this important region.

Where did you come from where did you go, where did you come from Genocide Joe?

We sought to avert the crisis by making it clear to Russia that the United States would respond by supporting Ukraine and by displaying a willingness to engage in talks on European security, even though Russia was not serious about doing so.

Oh how did that willingness to engage go? I recall a bunch of unanswered diplomatic offers from Russia in Dec 2021.

And we imposed far-reaching sanctions on Russia to reduce its ability to wage war.

which failed spectacularly, as Russia has stepped up military production across the board

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago

The mysterious tweet of Muhammad Ali Al-Houthi, one of the senior members of Yemen's Ansarullah

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago

Meatball is campaigning via the Gaza war.

Emphasis mine.

Florida cargo flights arranged by DeSantis carried drones and body armor for Israel

The Israeli government procured the equipment and asked the state of Florida for help transporting it overseas, a source with knowledge of the arrangement told CNN. The supplies were included on two cargo planes that left Florida for Israel on October 17.

DeSantis’ office previously said the cargo flights carried “medical supplies, clothing items, hygiene products and children’s toys” that had been donated to help Israel in the aftermath of the attack by Hamas earlier this month, but it did not mention that the state was also carrying equipment for Israel that could be used in response to the war effort.

The governor’s office confirmed to CNN on Thursday the inclusion of the additional equipment.

“At the request of the Israeli Consul General in Miami, cargo planes contracted by Florida were used to transport healthcare and hospital supplies, drones, body armor, and helmets that first responders can use,” Jeremy Redfern, a spokesman for the governor’s office, said in a statement.

Redfern said that the governor’s office also worked with the Israeli consul general to “help get weapons and ammunition to Israel through private parties.” However, the source said Florida did not transport those supplies, and it’s unclear how the state aided Israel in the movement of munitions.

[Continues]

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-10-26-23/h_234c329652009146b0a95177fb2fcdfb

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago

Anyone think releasing the hostages is a stalling tactic? Obviously Israel doesn’t give a shit but I could see the strategy being to slowly and gradually release them over the next month in the hopes that Israel will delay the ground invasion until they’re all out.

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago

Wall Street Journal: American officials said that the threats facing American forces constitute a source of grave concern

The Wall Street Journal reported on American officials: American forces in the region will be targeted as soon as the ground incursion into Gaza begins.

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[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan called on residents of the country to protest because of the start of the Israeli operation. - Twitter

Military spokesman in Egypt: Our air forces are intensifying the work of securing our entire airspace

The Jordanian Foreign Ministry has warned that Israel's ground operation in the Gaza Strip will result in a "humanitarian disaster of epic proportions for years to come."

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[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago

Bombardment in northern Gaza on 'a scale we've never seen before'

Rushdi Abualouf reporting from Khan Younis, Gaza

There was a huge bombardment in the north of Gaza strip on a scale we’ve never seen before.

Huge flames could be seen rising into the sky – it seemed they were using different types of bombs.

At the hospital here ambulance drivers told me they couldn’t communicate with anyone, so they were just driving in the direction of the explosions.

There’s been panic everywhere, even here in Khan Younis, where the bombing was less, as people try to reach family members in other areas to check they are safe, but the phones have been cut off.

It’s total chaos.

- BBC

The BBC needs to join the 21st century and provide links to specific updates.

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago

Chris Hayes "interviewed" a Norwegian doctor about the dire situation involving hospitals in Gaza. I didn't time the segment and I was listening to it the background. I have no idea how long it was. 5 minutes? Hayes hardly asked any questions. At the end of the "interview" - he didn't miss a step he thanked the doctor for his time and quickly moved on to the next segment.

TV news often goes hours speaking elliptically about the fucking "humanitarian crisis" in Gaza in passive constructions. When they they finally sort of cover the horror - Hayes's segment is typical. I think I'm beyond angry to something like nausea. In private I hope he at least acknowledges that he's a soulless corporate husk that's addicted to his sweet, sweet MSNBC compensation package so he doesn't rock the boat. But I wonder if he even does that.

The next segment was about the hostages and I changed the channel before the flood of questions started.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago

🟢 Hamas:

In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful:

We welcome the General Assembly’s resolution calling for an “immediate and permanent humanitarian ceasefire” and demand the immediate implementation of the resolution to bring fuel and relief materials to civilians.

We in the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) welcome the decision of the United Nations General Assembly calling for an “immediate, permanent, and continuous humanitarian ceasefire” that leads to an end to the aggression against our people in the Gaza Strip. We call on the General Assembly and the relevant international bodies to take measures to implement the decision immediately, in a way that enables the opening of crossings and bringing fuel and emergency relief aid into the Gaza Strip.

Islamic Resistance Movement - Hamas

Friday: 12 Rabi’ al-Thani 1445 AH

Corresponding to: October 27, 2023 AD

[-] Des@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago

anybody have a theory on how escalation could go?

let's say like Hezbollah launches an assault while the IOF is bogged down trying to slog through Gazan streets. they push pretty hard against a token and demoralized IOF. the U.S. responds by targeting Hezbollah armored columns and support. Hezbollah succesfully strikes a U.S. carrier or escort with an Iranian anti-ship missile.

what could happen next? would this just wind up into a crazy mostly aerial, drone and missile conventional regional conflict? would the U.S. prepare for an invasion of Iran or Lebanon? would Russia decide to enter the skirmish if Syria is caught up?

what stage would tactical nuclear weapons possibly be considered?

and finally what would israel take to do a samson option and just decide to hurl 400 thermonuclear warheads in every direction, against friend and foe alike? and would the U.S. coup netanyahu or decapitate the Israeli strategic missile command (which i'm sure the U.S. knows EXACTLY where it is located) before they decide to just smash the table and end the world?

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