In some places the nice beaches have been privatised by local hotels or clubs so you gotta pay them to sit on the beach or go sit somewhere less nice. Coming from Western Australia where we have the nicest beaches in the world (all free), I take this concept of "owning beach space" as a personal affront.
They don't even have to be privatized. Some municipalities in the US require a "beach tag". I lived on a barrier island growing up, and we had to buy ours every year, or go to the beach two towns over where it was free (...except where it was privatized).
looking at you greece ಠ_ಠ
but seriously.. it's hard to eek out an existence in sydney... everything is so fucking expensive.
but peddle to the beach and read a book, it's free and the best thing in town.
Few places nowadays is it legal to lay around & do whatever you want outdoors, usually getting cited for loitering or something.
What kind of shitty place are you living in?
I always find it funny to figure out that stuffblike loitering isn't something the Simpson invented. It's something americans are not allowed to. But freedom is very important to them
Loitering laws are mostly just racism.
It's rich people not wanting "riff raff" hanging around. No one cares if you're hanging around slums and ghettos.
I disagree with the initial claim.
I can go sit just about anywhere without concern of being cited for loitering.
Not sure where you get this idea from.
Are you white?
TBF they might just not live in America. Never really seen "loitering" being a thing outside of that mistake of a country, or at least I haven't seen it enforced and I've been everywhere in Western Europe (where one would assume these things are more enforced since they're culturally closer, idk).
Yes its an american thing. I can sit where I want in my country, unless its blocking some entrance or something.
Its because in America, you are not a human being. Someone should have informed you.
Another thing ive seen in American movies - people are not allowed to park and sleep in their cars it seems. There is always some officer walking up and knocking on their window and telling them they cant be there. Seems to be another sign of America.
Yep, a lot of it is hostility to unhoused people, based on the myth that "they are all 'psychotic drunk drug addicts' that are horrible people", hence why people believe they are (and deserve to be) unhoused. It's why hostile architecture is so common and ingrained in the US.
Also, Racism of course.
It makes sense from the American culture point of view, that someone who makes money is a winner and someone who doesnt is a loser. Its a view of people that is pretty evil.
100%
Fuck prosperity gospel, it and racism are so deeply ingrained in this country, and cause so many of our societal issues
No, I'm rural in liberal territory.
I cannot think of a single place within 20 miles in any direction that is not indoors nor private property that any human being cannot be more or less indefinitely.
You can't camp within like 250 ft vertical of the treeline. That's off limits for protecting the environment reasons.
If you're pulled over in a car I the side of the road, a state trooper may come to see if you're ok. Our states troopers got a much better rep than our cops, and our cops don't do too bad comparatively.
Acab, but know your enemy. It ain't the outdoors.
Did the goalposts just move?
Nope. They've been this way since the 1700s.
In the UK all farmland is fenced off, with occasional walking paths available. I used to think the Ridgeway was great because there was about 50 miles of trails one could walk on or ride a bike, and in summer motorbikes and 4x4s were allowed too.
It blew my mind when I moved to Spain and I worked out I could get pretty much anywhere off road whenever I felt like it.
For novelty I once rode my little motorbike from my house to the supermarket, with only about 50m on paved roads. It was very liberating. But unfortunately some of the yoghurt I bought got squashed by the jostling on the way home, and my bag smelled of bad milk for a couple months even after I'd washed it :-/
Blm land? National forest? Can lay around for 14 days straight.
Black Lives Matter land?
The land billionaires are salivating to carve up, log and develop? That land?
EDIT: I realized that this comment seems a little to pessimistic and doomer. I didn't mean it to sound like we should just roll over and accept that these beautiful areas are taken from us and others. We absolutely need to fight back, and you'd be surprised, that even most conservatives (save for the ultra-MAGA people) actually care about this land too and are deeply against it being privatized.
Now... Does that also say something about them caring less about POC than land, yes. But this is one of those issues you really don't have to push very hard to get people to care about. Even if they're not annual park visitors, a very large chunk of citizens in the US seem to care about this.
We just can't get a break from you guys, can we? Doesn't matter what the discussion is about, it always gets turned into US political grievances. This is what's killing this platform and making every sane person leave.
If you think this is exclusive to the US you're denser than a brick.
So glad you get to live in a world where you get to ignore politics. Also, I'm assuming you live in another country, and that's why you're frustrated things default to the US. So do I. I fucking hate that the US Empire has Earth by the balls, though that is ending (thankfully).
And unfortunately, anything billionaires do here is often a sort of trial run for other countries. These assholes (Tech Asshole Billionaires, Heritage Foundation and theocratic asshats, Trump and Wallstreet, etc) want to carve up this entire fucking world and enslave us, like full on chattel slavery. That is, those of us they haven't sent to death camps. We need to do everything we can to stop this.
You might not be a leftist, so the term endstage capitalism may or may not mean anything. But we are living in those times, and a few outcomes await us. One of them being techo-feudalism and surveillance dystopia, or a better world where we break this shit apart. Either way, politics is quickly affecting every single aspect of your life, because these assholes want to privatize every single minutia of your life if they can.
Maybe one day we can sit back and ignore 'politics' (as they are defined now), but until then, I believe we have a LOT of work to do.
It's not a binary choice between consuming all the politics or none of it. It can be done on your own terms when you choose to, rather than being perpetually consumed by it all day every day. That's an extremely unhealthy media diet that nobody should advocate for.
If I am not laying on private property or in the entrance of a shop or something I can lay around whereever I want. I don't really understand what OP is talking about.
most places aren't illegal for you to simply stand around in.
you are probably thinking of the "land of the free"
BS, and def doesn't fit this group.
A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. The most popular seem to be lighthearted clever little truths, hidden in daily life.
Here are some examples to inspire your own showerthoughts:
If you made it this far, showerthoughts is accepting new mods. This community is generally tame so its not a lot of work, but having a few more mods would help reports get addressed a little sooner.
Whats it like to be a mod? Reports just show up as messages in your Lemmy inbox, and if a different mod has already addressed the report, the message goes away and you never worry about it.
