cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/68257855
Nuclear is the best btw.
“Indestructible”?
Thanks for the laugh, pal.
Forcing nuclear down our throats while renewables are a thing is so wild. And people actually defend nuclear.
You want mining of sparse minerals by workers in inhuman conditions? Check
You want a contamination which will exist for longer than the oldest human build structure? Check (because the barrels you made made indestructible, just dont test this pls)
You want centralized energy way more expansive than solar or wind? Check
There are literally no upsides of nuclear against renewables and a battery.
Nuclear is the best btw
Naw. I was once enrolled in an Energy/Climate-focussed Masters degree, and scientific consensus for the goal generally seemed to range from "mostly renewables + a tiny bit of nuclear" to "all renewables". Nuclear feels like this amazing hack but it's expensive, and the storage problem, while sometimes overstated, is also often understated or falsely misrepresented as solved.
Get lost with your expensive nuclear energy. Renewables produce MUCH cheaper energy.
Indestructible like the Runit dome?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-15/cracks-appear-in-runit-dome-amid-sea-level-rise/106423684
Ah, that must be why first world countries like France are trying to export their nuclear waste into third world countries, after they were forced to stop exporting it into Russia...
If it's so safe, why have they been closing down every single high level waste permanent storage site over the last decade?
because ppl act over irrational fear and lobby their politicians to close perfectly safe sites.
Riiiight people are protesting for no reason...
The French government has yet to authorize Cigéo's construction, and now the French Nuclear Safety Authority (ASN) and the Institute for Radioprotection and Nuclear Safety (IRSN) have raised concerns about the design. Although it acknowledges overall progress, IRSN questions whether the sealing would be a strong enough barrier and says ANDRA needs to do more to reduce the risk of radioactive leaks. The agency also needs to improve its strategies to monitor risks and to rehabilitate the facility in case of radioactive spills, IRSN says. Perhaps the biggest problem, however, is medium-level radioactive sludge immobilized in bitumen, or tar, a technique introduced in the 1960s that has now been abandoned. IRSN says that in case of fire in a tunnel, bituminized waste could rapidly overheat and burn. “We would risk creating a phenomenon that we don't know how to stop,” and trigger “a very substantial” release of radioactivity into the environment, says François Besnus, director of IRSN's Environment Division in Fontenay-aux-Roses. Both agencies say ANDRA and the producers of nuclear waste need to study treatments that prevent overheating; if that fails, a major redesign of the facility may be needed.
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Others say the risks are simply too high. Radiation will break down water in the rock and cause corrosion of metal structures, leading to the release of explosive hydrogen gas, says biologist and engineer Bertrand Thuillier, an associate professor at the University of Lille. ANDRA plans to ventilate the tunnels, but that could exacerbate fires by providing oxygen, he says. A failure could be catastrophic, Thuillier warns: The area around Bure helps provide eastern Paris with water and is close to one of the world's most cherished wine regions, Champagne.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.357.6354.858
Edit: and just so we're clear, this is "the biggest, most complex and costliest nuclear decommissioning and radioactive waste management programme on earth." With planned cost between 23 and 54 bilion €
Trust me bro, nuclear power is clean, I read it on reddit or some shit idk
Nonsense, fision energy is expensive and dangerous.
Only in Germany there are over 12.000 tons of radioactive waste and nobody knows where to stored it secure for the next 100.000 years. It's depending on third countries to import the needed Uranium Indestructibles containers in a geological stable vault is a bad joke, it don't exist, at least not enough for all the waste, not even for the already existing. A nuclear reactor has a life span of ~50 years max, after this it need to be eliminated, a process of over 10 years for descontamination and elimination of more radioactive waste with a cost of billions of $, paid by the country, as said, by you, not by the company. Means 50 years energy and >50.000 years problems. Nuclear is the best, but only if we have an working fusion reactor, means, maybe in 10-20 years. Meanwhile the fision energy is sponsored by certain lobbies and the weapon industry, they are the real reason.
In Spain the energy costs for the user are ~14 cts/kWh at some hours even free (the lowest costs in the EU), thanks to the intensive use of renevable energy, blocked often by fossil and nuclear lobbies in other countries.
The goal of this technology is to reduce the volume of radioactive waste that requires deep geological disposal. Rosatom indicated that eliminating minor actinides could allow nuclear waste to reach radiation equivalence with the original uranium feedstock hundreds of times faster than natural decay.
Nuclear is the best btw.
What's the LCoE of new nuclear? What's the LCoE when you add the cost of the storage mentioned in your meme?
pro-nuke when you tell them nuclear energy is fossil fuel energy: 😡
*wind and solar are unarguably the best energy sourcrs, and the only sustainable ones.
it isn't tough, fossil fuel implies hydrocarbons, as that's where the fossil part comes from.
Nuclear fuel is non renewable but it is also clean.
It's clean regarding chemical waste.
I've helped build nuclear waste caskets, nothing is perfect but the amount of attention put into making it safe is incredible! The layers (and quality) of stainless steel welds would put your average steel bridge to shame....
But fission will always be limited (as in non-renewable). If everything was powered by nuclear, I'm sure we'd see even more awefull mining operations. Also, fusion should in theory be much better, if the thermodynamics of it end up working.
Bruh i saw this trash of a bait post yesterday already.
Nobody with more than 3 brain cells is defending coal. But Nuclear is also shit (unless u have subs to run or nukes to build, and hence can use civil nuclear plants, refining, and mining to offload some of the military bill onto the backs of civilians).
THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A SINGLE NUCLEAR POWER PLANT THAT WAS PROFITABLE THUOUT ITS WHOLE LIFE CIRCLE.
Take your god damn bait meme and shove it up your reactor pressure vessel.
What's profit got to do with it?
Because people call nuclear cheap, when it in reality isnt, they just cherry pick a smol time slot while ignoring states pumping money into it before and after main run time.
Idc about profits man, I want a liveable biosphere.
This is a joke, right? I grew up near one of those "safe" underground disposals and it's a disaster. Why risk that when there are so mich cleaner optional available today?
BREATHE*
More and more words are apparently becoming to hard to use correctly for a big part of people online. This is one that I almost never saw anyone getting wrong until a couple of years ago and it's becoming more and more common, same with writing "cloth/cloths" instead of "clothe/clothes". It's infuriating.
TBF, historically most nations allow "temporary" storage of spent nuclear fuel cells in perpetually filled pools or running water, which have the potential to run out and cause a nuclear apocalypse via irradiating everything on the surface of the earth. Currently millions of spent rods are stored "temporarily" in such pools which all together contain as much Cesium-137 as 30 Chernobyls in the USA alone.
It gets talked about a lot in "what if" scenarios about human extinction, because if Humanity died out then those pools will dry up and everything else will die alongside us.
I think the average person vastly over estimates how much waste is produced. If I recall the stat was that the entire world's nuclear waste could fit in a football field. That's really tiny.
This would have been a great meme 50 years ago^[Side-note: a Spongebob meme would have really fucked people up in 1976.]. We already knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that climate change was caused by human fossil fuel consumption. At the time, a hard pivot to nuclear power would have been a great way to kick the can down the road for a few decades until we figured out a better idea.
Well, it's a few decades later now. We came up with a lot of better ideas since then. Solar, wind, and geothermal are ascendant. And they don't have nearly as many downsides as nuclear and hydro.
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