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[-] spaceracoon@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

Man it's so funny how the only company that even thinks about allowing you to not have AI, gets so much shit from people.

OK you don't like AI, you can turn in off. They added an option for that. Meanwhile Chrome is automatically downloading 4gb worth of models without your consent. Same with basically each other browser.

Folks are free to use whichever distro they like, Librefox, Waterfox, but remember that without Mozilla foundation the very engine would stop working. Then these forks will not work anymore. Then where will you go? Chromium? Safari?

It's important to keep companies accountable, but nothing is ever black and white.

[-] czardestructo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

[-] Jyxil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I think you have to enable it now too, they heard people weren’t fans and responded.

I like that.

[-] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago

Now if Mozilla would finally get a CEO who is not driven by stupid capitalistic bullshit, I would actually start using Firefox again.

Until then, I stick to WaterFox.

[-] foxfell@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago
[-] W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago

Too locked down for the average user.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

It is? I didn't notice anything. I suppose by virtue of having even heard of it I'm not the average user.

[-] themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Some websites don't work correctly, due to the strict settings.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

I guess I don't view those types of sites on my Pc (probably on my phone).

[-] Nindelofocho@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Its a really really simple change to make them work again and iirc you can set a profile but it is mildly technical which means wayyy too difficult for average people

[-] TeddE@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

It genuinely hurts my soul that this is a complete argument.

The idea that users could or should have preferences - to be responsible to opt (in or out) in any capacity is an unreachable goal.

It's frustrating that a lazy or evil developer can so easily convinve the masses to give up privacy simply by dangling a shiny just outside the default security safeguards.

[-] UltraBlack@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Isn't waterdox owned by a weird company?

[-] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Not anymore. It’s owned by the creator again.

[-] UltraBlack@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Oh awesome!

[-] skami@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

Nice but it's kinda wierd how people decided to use these browsers after this new law was passed, I mean it's so easy to install apps on smartphones right now but people needed this choice screen to choose another browser of their liking? I would guess it's probably old people that switched that didn't know how to install browser without it, I googled but couldn't find any prove of this tho so it's just my guts

[-] morto@piefed.social 4 points 1 week ago

We tend to overestimate people's skill in tech. The average user uses what came installed, doesn't like installing and experimenting apps, uses a browser while logged in to google, taps yes on everything, will install apps when sites ask for it, without even noticing, and will register in every site or app that asks for it, and even give their real email, name, etc

[-] axh@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

It's laziness. Most people just take the path of the least resistance.

Once you show them the screen, any choice is the same amount of work so they will select what they really want. But without the screen, 90% of people will be good enough with the default option. Or, they might even be mildly uncomfortable with that option, but not enough to do something about it.

[-] sexy_peach@feddit.org 3 points 1 week ago

It’s laziness. Most people just take the path of the least resistance.

we all do in many parts of life

[-] axh@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I didn't say it's a bad thing. If someone tried to pay attention to every little choice they make, they would be exhausted before the morning coffee.

What kind of browser I use is important to me, since I am a geek. But I don't pay attention to many things that more socially adept people would consider important.

[-] reksas@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 week ago

the trick is to know what is worth paying attention to and what is not

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago
[-] reksas@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 week ago

some things are worth your time and some things are not, you yourself decide what is what. You just have to know what is important to you and consider things that affect that. And to also know what things are not worth giving a fuck. The capitalist society also trys to make you care about worthless things so those too will fill up your attention.

So in essence, if something isnt important to you and not caring about it doesnt make your life more difficult, let that thing go.

[-] skami@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

Yeah I guess people doesn't really care all that much about giving information to big tech, it's so normalized today, in my university (I am a student) when I tell people I don't use Instagram or TikTok and whatnot they look at me like I am crazy, tbh maybe if we define crazy as "not doing what everyone around you does" maybe I am

[-] axh@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

people doesn't really care all that much about giving information to big tech

I was one of those people some time ago. I remember doing it deliberately and saying "what will they do to me? Offer me a product that better suits my needs?"

I never had any issues because of that...

right now I decline each time, the more work it costs me, the more motivated I am to decline every single marketing consent.

I do it out of spite, because of all the enshitification happening to services I used to like, and I just try to make their life harder.

I really hope that Google will, some day, miss one cent needed for some huge multi billion deal thanks to my resistance! ;)

[-] pwalker@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago

not all heroes wear capes

[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

If people are going to talk about the details of their divorce in a tiktok video I doubt they care much that someone is tracking what products they looked at on amazon.

[-] carrylex@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

It's like browser war 1.0 all over again but only on mobile...

(Microsoft had to do the exact same thing after they preinstalled Internet Explorer with Windows)

[-] utopiah@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

it’s so easy to install apps on smartphones right now

Providing choice as a default is precisely about people who are influenced by defaults. It's NOT about how feasible something technically is.

[-] Samsy@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

Meet my wife! Since this screen, she uses the duckduckgo browser (iOS) Idk why, she neither, but she is happy with it.

[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

If something is good enough to do what you want you have no real motivation to change. People posting here are far more concerned about privacy than most people based on how much people seem to voluntarily share online anyway.

[-] oats@piefed.zip 1 points 1 week ago

If i want the internet, I tap on the little internet app. Wth is a browser?

[-] hexagonwin@lemmy.today 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

i've legit seen many people who have no idea what a web browser is, internet == chrome/safari/edge (which opens automatically when clicking a link on some app) for them. this isn't just older people, actually it's usually worse with younger people.

[-] minorkeys@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago

It isn't that weird. Users have a very low tolerance for independence, especially as tech markets itself to less and less tech savvy userbases(like Gen alpha and z). They do what their screens tell them to for the most part.

[-] Luffy879@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

like Gen alpha and z

As a gen Z who started with Linux with 12, daily driven it since 14 and dipped into Gentoo and arch at 15, I feel offended

[-] WrathEnchanter@europe.pub 3 points 1 week ago

Autistic children will be discluded from the study for skewing results.

[-] rekabis@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

Now if only Apple will let Firefox run its own rendering engine instead of Safari’s.

Like, that’s the only thing I don’t get. Other apps which are not web browsers, fine. Use Safari. But an actual web browser? FFS, let them use their own engine.

[-] thedormantotaku@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Maybe Firefox is going to improve performance in android? Also PWA support on android would be great. PWA support is what's kept me stuck with Brave.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 1 week ago

I've got to be honest, the occasional glitch in Firefox Android is more than worth the price of not seeing the ads and consent banners that Chrome would have forced me to look at.

[-] schwim@piefed.zip 0 points 1 week ago

There is something humorous to the fact that these users have waited until Firefox has begun the AI enshitification process before switching to it. It's like they just had to wait until it was no longer the clear. Good choice before they made the switch.

[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Firefox has begun the AI enshitification process

Dude, it's like five things – one of which is just translations that can be performed locally, and another of which is an alt text accessibility option – with an obvious universal kill switch (and of course individualized ones). Calm your tits. Chill your balls. I don't use LLMs at all except for translations, and I still think the whinging over this is completely overblown.

"Begun" implies a slippery slope of much more, and that just doesn't seem to be the case.

[-] schwim@piefed.zip -1 points 1 week ago

Lol, ok chief.

[-] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

The AI stuff is behind a switch I have not seen a single AI feature while using Firefix nor do I see any ads

[-] Sarothazrom@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Firefox lets you implicitly disable or remove them, slop browsers do not.

I don't like AI either but lets not pretend there's an equivalency between these browsers.

[-] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

FireFox was enhittified even before the AI bits: it fucking spies on you

That's why I use LibreWolf , which is literally just the latest-stable FF build, but with all the AI and telemetry ripped out, uBlock Origin and anti-fingerprinting enabled by default.

It's literally what FireFox was supposed to be. And they don't even accept money . God level.

[-] OpenStars@piefed.social 0 points 1 week ago

But there is no mobile version, and their FAQ says it's unlikely to happen. Instead they point to IronFox, which I presume is nowhere close to feature equivalent to Firefox.

[-] cobalt32@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 week ago

I'm personally quite partial to Fennec.

[-] YetAnotherYeti@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago

I've been using Fennec for a while and it's been a great experience. Much good. Do recommend.

[-] yigruzeltil@lemmy.pt 1 points 1 week ago

IronFox, Fennec and Privacy Browser are all decent as far as mobile Firefox, on GrapheneOS I like to use mostly Vanadium and Privacy Browser

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