These are all just chrome and firefox with extra steps.
@Thyazide @Tutanota
From Vivaldi concerning it being Chromium based:
"Vivaldi is based on Chromium, which is open-source, and all the
improvements we make to this code are published under the same open-
source license. Thatβs roughly 95% of the code. The remaining 5%, related to Vivaldi's UI, remains proprietary to this day, although it is still possible to make sense of the obfuscated code and edit it to mod the browser to your liking (something some of the community members do).
As for the reasons for not going fully open-source at the moment, despite
many of Vivaldi's employees being proponents and users of open-source
software, the devil is in the details. The UI is what makes Vivaldi a unique
browser, we wouldnβt want our work to be used to create a forked browser
that opposes our ethics, and given our limited resources, we cannot
commit to review submitted patches.
This is what works for our company now, but the discussion is, regardless,
far from settled."
Librewolf is the only answer
Yey I win
I like Librewolf
Yeah, but not on mobile unfortunately :/
I use Ironfox in my android phone.
All I see in that photo is a bunch of logos on white backgrounds. Thatβs some lazy ass icon design.
Aren't most of those just chrome in a hooded jacket?
Most of them actually are Firefox in a hooded jacket.
Really? Which one aren't ff? I don't like the chrome rendering engine, but want to try new UIs to ff.
Tor, LibreWolf, WaterFox and Zen I know are FireForks
On PC I use zenbrowser on android I use weblibre.
With Local AI ? No thanks
You can turn this off as you can see. 
Na thanks
Firefox, always happy with it as a user
Good old Firefox straight from their apt repo, that way I get security patches/bug fixes in a timely fashion without the need to be rebased/rebuild by a third party.
Thankfully they have added the AI switch which made me come back again.
( FYI: You have added the lemmy.world community of firefox not the official account on mastodon.social which is why its now showing up here https://lemmy.world/post/47155266 kinda cool that it works but also a bit confusing :) )
@Tutanota @firefox @duckduckgo @puffin @Waterfox @ecosia @palemoon @zenbrowser @mullvadnet @torproject @Freenet @librewolf
@librewolf and @Vivaldi are my favorites.
I absolutely adore LibreWolf!
You forgot to mention in your list GNU Icecat, though the logo is there. From the list I favour also LibreWolf and the Torproject, though some others are wonderful like Otter, Helium, Qutebrowser, surf or Nyxt.
Fennec
Vivaldi is chromium based but should still be up here.
Totally agree. It's made for comfort, safety and privacy. Norwegian based, works with the Dutch privacy and non Ai search engine Startpage, Swiss Proton VPN and has all the features old Opera had (before sold to China and made into a crypto mining piece of shit).
These days Firefox has turned to shit just like chrome, so it doesn't matter whether you have a Firefox or chromium based browser. It's just the build structure.
Didn't Start page get acquired by an ad company?
I love PaleMoon, but can't really daily drive it. Mostly just use Waterfox and Firefox. Waterfox is fantastic and fixes pretty much every issue I've ever had with Firefox.
Do search engine browsers like DuckDuckGo or Ecosia have anything to offer? From my experience they're just Firefox but worse. Has anything changed recently?
@Tutanota @firefox @duckduckgo @puffin @Waterfox @ecosia @palemoon @zenbrowser @mullvadnet @torproject @Freenet @librewolf **Waterfox**, of course : No Mozilla A.I. bullshit but still account Sync through all my browsers. π
I like zen flavored Firefox and librewolf
Can you not?
how many of these alternatives are firefox forks and how many of them are chrome forks?
Except duck, all the ones I know are Firefox forks.
Duck AFAIK is neither
Duck is Chrome except on Mac where it's Safari.
Do we still consider Pale Moon a Firefox fork?
Do you understand what a fork is?
In the trash where it belongs.
I'm curious and suspicious. Why would Vivaldi be left out of this list, and why would someone call it trash? I'm using Vivaldi, and it seems like a very good choice to me.
Not looking for a fight, but would like to know.
I'm guessing it was left off the list because it's not open source but honestly I was just making a joke.
It's not open source.
@one_old_coder ok, got it. It's freeware, though? I guess I'm still confused. Are people upset with Vivaldi because the code is proprietary? Doesn't seem like there's a privacy risk, it doesn't use AI, doesn't use manifest V3.. Seems like the best choice. Again, this is just making me curious.
Vivaldi is really good visually and has good features. But the fact that it is closed-source and may not have uBlock Origin is a bad thing. I used to accept black boxes a long time ago when I was starting to write my own programs, but I have now seen all the bad things coming from closed-source applications that I am very careful now.
It's not more a privacy risk than other applications, but you cannot check or know whether it's the truth. And what happens when they start to fuck me up because it's "free" and I have to spend a whole week-end migrating to another browser because the CEO needs more money and starts to do weird stuff with his project?
I may over react, but I have seen bad behaviors for more than 20 years, and I am careful now. If I don't use it, I avoid 48 hours of technical support trying to find an alternative. Also it is based on Chrome which makes it more restricted for the plugins. Yet another bad thing that I can avoid right now by not using their product.
A summary would be: it's good (good), but it's based on Chrome, it's restricted, I am dependent on yet another company that will switch sides because it technically has no clients (it's free), and it's closed-source.
Last but not least, they had a thing in their terms of services which said that they could close your account without warning if you didn't behave elsewhere on the internet. Another red flag.
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