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[-] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 42 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Bro, I think you have a tanky kink. For every tanky I actually see, I swear I see five or more posts from you complaining about them.

Just admit it: you want to be dominated by tankies so your asshole can be nationalized for the good of the people.

Edit: I am joking!

[-] JayDee@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago

I wanna be rolled over by a tank after reading this.

[-] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I'm sure some tankies would oblige if you ask nicely.

[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

There is a push by alt-right types to claim tankies are the alt-right of the left:

https://gnet-research.org/2023/10/02/tankies-a-data-driven-understanding-of-left-wing-extremists-on-social-media/

Which completely overlooks how limited and deenergized tankies actually are.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

They're limited in general, but they're all over lemmy for some reason.

[-] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

Because the creators are tankies. Lemmygrad and lemmy.ml are the creators' own instances.

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[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 21 points 6 months ago

Sun Yat Sen is actually known to have also came to the conclusion that Lincoln was some degree of Proto/Para Socialist leader, his map for the Republic of China was based in part off that impression of Lincoln and his political theories and policies.

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 16 points 6 months ago

Mao was a pretty big fan of the US as well until they didn't give him weapons. Then It was all "ok buddy Stalin"

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Castro and Ho Chi Minh as well, Castro was actually receiving American support initially before he got cut off, IIRC either because he was being a bit "too" revolutionary for his backers' liking or because Bautista negotiated his way back into America's good graces.

Ho Chi Minh had petitioned the US for diplomatic assistance with France, and the US might have been persuaded to provide it until France declared they would switch sides to the Warsaw pact if the US breathed a word of it to them and didn't help them shut it all down (this was after the US had absolutely humiliated them in the Suez crisis and Marshall plan conditioning), before proceeding to shrug and leave the US holding the bag for the mess they made anyways.

tl;dr, God Damn The French!

[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

either because he was being a bit “too” revolutionary for his backers’ liking

It was this one - of course, not allowing US corporations to use Cuba as their personal toilet doesn't strike me as very "revolutionary."

[-] yogurt@lemm.ee 20 points 6 months ago

Same Marx letter: “While the workingmen, the true political powers of the North, allowed slavery to defile their own republic, while before the Negro, mastered and sold without his concurrence, they boasted it the highest prerogative of the white-skinned laborer to sell himself and choose his own master, they were unable to attain the true freedom of labor, or to support their European brethren in their struggle for emancipation; but this barrier to progress has been swept off by the red sea of civil war.”

Unfortunately it wasn’t actually swept off, instead of “at least we aren’t slaves” it’s “at least we aren’t the periphery” that became the boasted prerogative making core country labor feel like it has more investment in the system and more to lose than it actually does, and keeping them demanding anti-immigration and anti-trade and bombs to maintain hegemony.

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 months ago

talk about making up a guy to get mad at lmao

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago

I can never tell when tankies are arguing in bad faith, or legitimately not understanding the point. Not that it really matters in the end, I suppose, lol

[-] hglman@lemmy.ml 17 points 6 months ago

Some large number of them are larping facists trying to troll.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

No doubt. Unfortunately, some are certainly genuine.

[-] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 6 months ago

Yup. I keep saying this about places like Hexbear. From my interactions, the majority seem to be True Believers™. People keep mistaking the "authoritarian first, and leftist maybe third or fourth (but sometimes nothing but lip-service)" attitudes as fascism. However, they are two completely different forms of authoritarianism. Sure, both tend to celebrate summary executions and use LGBTQ+ people as a means to an end but, the desired end is different.

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[-] Artyom@lemm.ee 11 points 6 months ago

Yeah, a Tankie would never resort to such a tactic

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[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 6 months ago

Idk who pissed in their cheerios but they're going wild with shit memes about something

[-] LazyPhilosopher@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

picture of Israelis using USA supplied arms to murder children

PugJesus: "look at these fine liberals stopping fascism and upholding democracy "

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 months ago

I mean Hamas got into power in Gaza by winning a plurality of the votes and then permanently "suspended elections" after that. And they talk a lot about past humiliations and wanting to restore the ethnic makeup of the region to the way it was in history books by ethnically cleansing Jews.

Whatever you might feel about Israel, Hamas covers pretty much every square on the fascist bingo card.

[-] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 6 months ago

good point let's just nuke Gaza /s

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca -2 points 6 months ago

Silence child, adults are talking.

[-] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

I wonder if they'd be extremists if they weren't in such extreme conditions.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

I'm pretty sure that had it been already fashionable back then for the powerful to use the word, the Résistance Française would've been called "terrorists" by the Nazis in occupied France.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

That's just a variant of the "We invaded Iraq to free them from the murderous dictator Saddam Hussein" argument of Republicans which sounds great until you notice that the 1.2 million deaths caused by the American invasion (around 140 thousand directly killed) massivelly dwarf the total of deaths caused by Saddam in his entire time in power.

Giving them the "peace of the grave" isn't quite the "good deed" that one might thinking if fixated on the word peace.

Then there's of course the small detail that Israel itself was subsidizing Hamas (curiously, just like the US was doing for Saddam originally) so the whole idea that what they're doing now is really helping Palestinians, beggars belief.

After Iraq, that line of "argument" is beyond the "fool me once shame on you" stage and well into "fool me twice shame on me".

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[-] LazyPhilosopher@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

I don't like Hamas either also never mentioned them.

Just concerned with the fascist state next door that's committing a genocide and the American government's support of them in that genocide.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Those elections were for the West Bank too. They decided to stop holding elections because Israel blocked them from taking their place. At that point, why have elections?

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 months ago

There are local elections in the West Bank. There aren't national elections because holding a national election in the West Bank only would be an admission that Gaza is a separate territory from the West Bank, so there would no longer be just one Palestine.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Well yeah, because West Bank is still controlled by the party Hamas beat in elections. The party that was beat because they're an Israeli puppet.

[-] AshMan85@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

OP obviously does not know the definition of a tankie.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago

C'mon, say it a third time, and maybe this time it'll get some traction!

[-] rustyfish@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

Well, someone is wrong. But it’s not OP.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It's a new way of saying "commie", used because it doesn't instinctivelly make people think of McCarthism and the Red Scare as explicitly using words such as "commie" and "Communist" would.

In other words, rebranding, a Neoliberal speciality.

The Red Scare is not just a thing of the Fascist Far-Right over there: now that they're even cozying up to Genocidal Fascists, the Oligarchic American Far-Right (a.k.a. Neoliberals or just Liberals) are also starting to use the same framing of "Everybody to the left us are Communists" as the Fascists, though, granted, they're more modern and sophisticated than the Fascists and use focus groups and other market research techniques to evaluate the reception of their messaging, which probably showed that words such as "commie" don't go well with their target audience, and things like "tankie" yield much better messaging interiorization and viral spreading thanks the absence of pre-existing skepticism associations, unlike with "commie".

As more and more of the façade of Neoliberalism collapses and it becomes more and more obvious theirs is not a Political Ideology of Properity for the many, that their talk of Merit is complete total bollocks (every single one of the most celebrated "success stories" of the current Era were born rich) and that they're just a slicker, well-funded, marketing-heavy modern pro-Oligarchy Ideology, expect an increase in their demonization of any and all political opponents, much of it already visibily in many countries were Neoliberals call themselves "center" and "moderate" and call any political party who is not Neoliberal "extremists" - equally for leftwing or rightwing - even though the Overtoon Window having moved so much to the Right in 4 decades means most of those to their left who they call extremists defend policies that were considered center-left in the 70s (unions, universal healthcare, social security, progressive taxation, consumer protection, market regulation, nationalized critical infrastructure) whilst to the right of the Neoliberals there's just the Fascists.

[-] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

It's a new way of saying "commie", used because it doesn't instinctivelly make people think of McCarthism and the Red Scare as explicitly using words such as "commie" and "Communist" would.

In other words, rebranding, a Neoliberal speciality.

Oh shut up and get off your high horse, Tankie was literally created by communist party members after the Soviets brutally crushed Socialist Democracy in Hungary in '56, and gained more use by communists after the brutal crushing of Socialist Democracy in the Prague Spring of '68.

For 60 years Tankie has been a term used against Authoritarian socialists by democratic socialists. Neoliberals have nothing to do with yall deep throating every autocrat than can say "America bad".

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

So "thankie" is now used in the US in the same sense as "commie" used to be used in the US: to imply that somebody is an authoritarian communist.

Which is what I wrote.

I never said or implied it the term was invented by neoliberals. I further never said it was used by neoliberals in the correct way, i.e. for actual authoritarian communists.

It's exactly the core of the problem that neoliberals use "tankie" in the same way that "commie" used to be used by old fashioned capitalist: to imply that anybody to the left of them aren't merelly center-right/center-left/left but actually the same as authoritarian communists.

It would be absolutelly fine if Liberals were using "tankie" to refer to actual authoritarian communists only, but that's not what's been happenning at least here in Lemmy: it's been progressivelly applied to those less and less to the left (authoriarian or otherwise) to the point that it's even used for people who disagree with Biden's support for Zionism (an ultra-nationalist etnic fascist ideology) and the Genocide they're committing, or in other words, against those who do not support an etnic cleansing by a fascist government (i.e- those to the left of a position extremelly far to the right of center).

This is similar to how in the old days "commie" was used for, say, people who were in favour of unions, though this present day usage of "tankie" is worse since back in WWII in American "commie" was not used to slander those that did not support the Nazis, though in Nazi Germany accusations of being a Communist were indeed used against anybody that disagreed with Nazism.

[-] AshMan85@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

My complaint, which you basically brought up, but more specifically is the capitalist stooges are comparing militant communist of the cold war era to the people today that just want universal health care, more unions/stronger labor laws and better cheaper or god forbid free education.

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