The establishment strikes back: The New York and Washington chattering class thinks Walz is too far left (robertreich.substack.com)

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[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 59 points 3 months ago

Okay, let me get this straight, Trump wanting to do straight up Federalist society-endorsed genocide/ethnic cleansing, religious police state shit isn't a weakness, but Kamala Harris and Walz wanting free school lunch is? Fascinating how even the most mild progressive policies are somehow worse for candidates than plotting genocide is.

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 45 points 3 months ago

This is a silly Trump troupe. It's silly because it won't work.

Tim Walz is a veteran, gun-owning football coach from rural Minnesota. He doesn’t code as an extreme liberal. Take a look at him and you see your teacher.Your coach.

For a political attack to work, it has to be believable, and there is nothing believable about Tim Walz being a dangerous extremist

[-] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 21 points 3 months ago

Well, they can attack him on his policies. He has a track record of promoting unions, affordable healthcare, free meals for schoolchildren, paid family and sick leave... You know, things the rich and powerful somehow have managed to convince a huge chunk of uneducated working class are bad.

[-] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

I hope it doesn't work. The much more important things with Walz is that he crosses the aisle to work with the other side, that he effectively compromises and doesn't fall for this 'zero sum' bullshit. The fact that his position on the already inaccurate and distorted left-right spectrum is the point of concern is absurd.

[-] JustZ@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

A drop of rain landed on my screen and clicked into your post history. And before I realized that, I found myself agreeing with mostly every comment. So I thought I'd share that you seem to me to have way above average accumen and intuition for politics and rhetoric, and you're clearly not just regurgitating punditry but actually sharing your own takes and opinions. Can't help wonder about your education and experience in policy and politics, pro or gifted amateur?

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Well thanks. As a kid I grew up on capital hill as my brother was a senior advisor to a Senator. Soon after, I worked national political campaigns as a kind of front man. Saw a lot of the US. Then, off to college, with some of that spent in Europe. Carrer in telecommunications, more foreign trips. Like politics as I find it to be the background music to civilization.

[-] JustZ@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Could have guessed as much. Real recognize real.

[-] AshMan85@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago

At the end of the day the elite class are fascists

[-] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago

The New York Times’s Nate Cohn, for example, says Walz “doesn’t help compensate for what figures to be [Kamala Harris’s] core weakness with swing voters: her … staking out progressive positions.”

Cohn goes on to assert that Walz

“unexpectedly became the veepstakes favorite for many progressives, who were often outright opposed to Mr. Shapiro or Mr. Kelly” and that “the fight was sufficiently intense for Mr. Walz’s selection to be seen as a material win for progressives.” As a result it “won’t assuage concerns that she’s too far to the left.”

This is utter rubbish. Who is concerned that Kamala is too far to the left? Cohn imagines that the typical voter is somewhere in the middle of the political spectrum. But there’s no longer a middle. When the Republican Party has adopted authoritarian fascism, what does it mean to be “too far to the left?”

Rekt. Good on RR for calling out Cohn's naked laundering of partisan bias into mainstream journalism. His article was mealy-mouthed establishment horseshit, as was his navel-gazing follow up.

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 20 points 3 months ago

Every time I hear anyone talking about how Harris and/or Walz are "so far to the left" it makes me want to vote for them even harder.

Walz was absolutely correct when he talked about his policies in Minnesota being "common sense." Because liberalism and progressivism is sensible.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 9 points 3 months ago

There is such a thing as “too far left” in US politics. You could say that voting for anyone who will continue America’s support for genocide is unacceptable, even if the alternative is violent naked fascism. You could say that we should arm ourselves against the Oathkeepers and attack them physically if they come to our city. You could say that all police agencies are an open force for evil and should be abolished. Those are real things that people think, that right or wrong, I think someone could say are “far left” if a US presidential candidate started saying them.

School lunch and unions are not “far left”. Honestly, it might be good for the base, but I think all they’re accomplishing by saying those are “far left” is making “left” sound good to people.

[-] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 3 months ago

To fascists, anything left of Reagan is "far left". The Overton window nowadays would probably consider Reagan centrist...

[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 10 points 3 months ago

My brother in Christ, Reagan is far left to these assholes

His Shining Beacon on the Hill Speech would have drawn death threats apon him.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 3 points 3 months ago

Yeah and he didn’t want to ally with the Russians to defeat his domestic enemies

[-] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 3 months ago

Nice endorsement

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

What I think is funny is that people paint Harris as this progressive leftist when she has never been a standard-bearer for the progressive coalition. Yeah she's voted with Sanders a bunch but keep in mind she wasn't really in the US Senate all that long.

Some of us liked Bernie, some of us liked Warren, and some liked Buttigieg. I didn't hear one progressive talk about Harris.

And that's okay. My point is just to say that these claims she's a radical leftist and needed a moderate Dem to balance the ticket are just absurd.

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 months ago

Yeah, I put her in the normie Democrat lane that wants nice stuff, but wants it means tested, and wait, maybe that's too much too soon, what if it was a voluntary program funded by local businesses? The type that would say universal healthcare should be a right, but then someone asks "how do you pay for it?" and their response is "oh yeah, damn, let's give people a $20 health tax credit if they're in the bottom 20% of incomes".

I don't find normie Democrats offensive like centrists lusting after bipartisanship and winning over the right. I think they can be encouraged, with a lot of work and the correct white papers and pre-polled assurances of 70% support, to cast aside their fears and do good things. But they're not progressive.

[-] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

Sounds like fantastic news to me.

[-] MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

When you're so far right, everything looks far left.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

If wealth distribution were more equitable, there could have been enough of them to matter. Almost ironic, really.

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