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submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by Cris_Color@lemmy.world to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

The fediverse is small, and thats both a blessing and a curse - one of its several blessings is that in a smaller space we all individually have a bigger impact on what the culture of this space is like.

On this comm (and on lemmy broadly) there's a lot of discussion about how to grow the fediverse, what to improve, but an easy thing you can do for the fediverse is right in front of us-

  • Be kind

  • Ask people what they think, and why

  • Approach folks you disagree with with curiosity rather than hostility (EDIT: no, this is not specifically referring to Nazis. I get it, they're the first thing that comes to mind. I'm not telling you to approve of Nazis I'm just saying be kind to your fellow lemmites)

  • Engage sincerely

  • Ask yourself if there's something nice you can say

  • Make this small space worth being in

A platform lives or dies by what's available on said platform and often we have this conversation in the context of "content" or posts - and we may never have as much content as reddit does. But content and posts aren't the only thing this kind of platform offers- it also offers people. It offers community, and human interaction.

Culture and community is lemmy and the fediverse's biggest differentiator, and we all have a role to play in shaping the culture of this space.

The biggest thing you can do to help the fediverse is make it a place worth being.

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[-] ogmios@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago

Good luck with that. Volunteer moderation tends to attract some of the most toxic individuals on the planet.

[-] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

In fairness reddit also has volunteer moderation, but you're absolutely right. I think that's why being intentional about what kind of culture we want is so important.

In a small space bad actors in leadership roles can do so much damage, and people intentionally facilitating healthy spaces can do so much good.

Corporate platforms have to deal with profit incentives and the way those warp what a space is about, but we shouldn't forget that our "new" fediverse model has its own problems well have to contend with.

The issue of greater variation in moderator/hosts was a big issue in the forum days to my understanding, and whether a space was healthy varried a lot from one to another. Big consolidated platforms homogenized things a lot but that came with its own issues. In a lot of ways it feels like the fediverse will have to address a lot of the unresolved issues of the old internet.

I can only hope we can learn by looking back at that history and build something better now

[-] ogmios@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 months ago

Well, I certainly do appreciate seeing people like yourself making an active effort to bring some sanity back to the web. Keep it up!

[-] Cris_Color@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago

Thank you friend, I really appreciate that!

Take care! ❤️

[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 3 months ago

i hope the quality stays up and i guess that we're non-commercial might help with this; as we're not pushing people to use this platform; the people here are people who actually want to use this platform and i guess that in itself could do a good thing.

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[-] RandomVideos@programming.dev 0 points 3 months ago

!lemmysilver

Lemmy is filled with too much hate, hopefully things can change

[-] LemmySilverBot@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago

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[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago

One thing that has been concerning me lately is that the Fediverse is being treated as a refuge for people who get banned on Reddit or other social media. Sure, sometimes those bans are based on arbitrary power tripping nonsense. But people actually do get banned for being assholes, and so I've got some worry that this is distilling the population of the Fediverse in an unfortunate direction.

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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Highly upvoted comments like "Elon Musk should commit suicide" or "X group of people are all mentally retarded" or even popular posts themselves make me feel uncomfortable.

It feels toxic like X. Or what Voat (an older Reddit clone, albeit not a federated one) turned into. So much of y'all upvoting posts like that, normalizing it, does not make me want to stick around, as that culture of hate will only get worse.

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[-] Goated@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago

I just hope people won't turn it into another 4chan

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[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago

I have also noticed people agreeing with someone in a reply to another comment, but the original commenter has no upvotes. If you agree, upvote. If you kind of agree, upvote. If you don't agree, but they make a good case, upvote and then say that. Upvotes make people feel good.

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[-] WaitThisIsntReddit@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

What about people that like to talk shit? I enjoy banter give and take. Reddit is full of soft whiners and I'm not into it.

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[-] lautan@lemmy.ca -1 points 3 months ago

A big problem is too much politics, feels like politics is always brought up even in posts where it's not the topic of discussion. Just look at this post. Then if someone disagrees with your view they'll attack you and then they'll claim they "are on the right side". People have forgotten the golden rule.

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[-] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 3 months ago
[-] LemmySilverBot@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago

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[-] SuiXi3D@fedia.io -1 points 3 months ago

The second best thing is remember that tolerance of intolerance breeds intolerance.

[-] mike_wooskey@lemmy.thewooskeys.com 0 points 3 months ago

That suggests we should be intolerant of intolerance, which is an oxymoron.

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[-] OpenStars@piefed.social -1 points 3 months ago

Lemmy has a well-known reputation as being a "Nazi bar". e.g. as mentioned in this example post in r/RedditAlternatives complaining about toxicity on Lemmy, here is one of the comments therein (not from OP but as part of the overall conversation):

If their experience is anything like mine, it’s populated by mostly far left wing Americans who were banned from Reddit for being too extreme. I disagreed with someone about a topical left wing American position and received death threats. In fact I’ve never received that many death threats on Reddit. Lemmy is extreme.

Even if the threats came from Hexbear or one of the lemmy.ml mods who are allowed to make death threats against users without any repercussions, "we" still expose "our" users to such content when we federate with those communities. i.e., for exactly the same reason that we defederate from instances that share CSAM, if we really, truly, genuinely don't like it when mods make death threats against users, then we need to put a stop to it - by defederating those instances that are known to do exactly that.

Otherwise we give our tacit approval, and moreover whenever we encourage people to join Lemmy instances, we willingly expose those people to this kind of content. Would you expose someone to CSAM, knowingly and without warning them first? Then why is it different when we can see the death threats, delivered by mods, who are not censured in any way, yet still encourage people to come here to Lemmy communities? Are we truly that desperate for content that we are so inconsiderate to them as to expose them to that without warning?

If you somehow have not heard of this yet and really don't know what I'm talking about, a lot of details are offered in Discuss.Online's (successful) Petition to defederate from hexbear.net, although that particular mod in question is from Lemmy.ml.

[-] Draces@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

I had pretty much the same experience as that user and it's why I left lemm.ee when they decided not to defederate with some of the worst instances. Was about to go back to the search if lemmy.world wasn't any better. Tankies are why I don't recommend Lemmy to my friends anymore. They are the fediverse's biggest problem

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[-] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 months ago

The user you quoted said they would also try Piefed: https://old.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/1jqvq6k/looking_for_reddit_alts_that_are_not_lemmy/mlbvone/

Isn't being federated with HB nowadays more the exception that the rule?

IIRC,

  • LW
  • SJW
  • lemmy.ca
  • sopuli.xyz
  • Blahaj
  • programming.dev
  • feddit.org

Are defederated

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this post was submitted on 05 Apr 2025
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