This seems like an attempt to undermine NATO. The only time article 5 has been used was after 9/11.
~~By saying Europe had a choice and should have resisted, he lays the foundation for the US to not follow through on their NATO commitments.~~
Edit: The commenter below is right, the article 5 was used for Afghanistan, not Iraq. My whole argument is thus invalid
Article five wasn't used in Iraq, only Afghanistan.
It's not like that matters to the people this propaganda is targeting.
Yeah, we should have ended our ties to the US and our infrastructural dependency back then.
Back then was one of the few moments I was proud about a german politician, when Schröder said "No".
Too bad he's saying "Да" a lot now.
…what…?
Seriously: what the fuck? There was - at best - scant official support in Europe for the war, and public support was nearly nonexistent. The fuck is he on about.
Go home and fuck your loveseat, heterosectional.
A few European countries sent troops, but more importantly there was not a peep from Europe about, you know, not creating another refugee crisis in their backyard. He said oppose, not not support. Europe could've done more to oppose the Iraq war.
This is interesting, today we know that a conflict in the middle east will cause a large spike in refugees/migrants to the EU, back when the Iraq war started, was that not the case?
Until 2004, the EU was a western European entity, with Greece alone possible to describe as being anywhere near the Middle East, and lacking a land border with the rest of the EU.
The Iraq war did not cause and international migration crisis. People were primarily moved internally and to other (unfriendly) ME countries.
What really started the migration crisis was ISIS and the Syrian war, 10 years later. Where a Russian ally fought the byproduct of American misrule in the Middle East, and Russian allies directed migrants into Eastern European countries unready for them financially or culturally.
Quite what the EU, a non-military force that primarily overlaps with NATO, was supposed to do differently there I don't know. Should it have predicted that the US would essentially lose to Assad, to the Taliban, and that they would then switch sides and ally with Russia while still in NATO?
What really started the migration crisis was ISIS and the Syrian war, 10 years later.
You'll find that ISIS, in fact, grew out of the anti-American insurgency in Iraq. They actually weren't ISIS at first; they were Al Qaeda in Iraq.
Quite what the EU, a non-military force that primarily overlaps with NATO, was supposed to do differently there I don't know.
Divest from US weapons would've been one simple way to make America reconsider their crusade in Iraq.
Yes. I specifically mentioned ISIS came from American misrule in Iraq. The people aligned with ISIS were on America's side during the Iraq war.
I can picture the pitch to an EU that has just accepted a massive long term project of trying to lift Eastern Europe out of post-Soviet destitution. OK bro, divest bro because obviously the techbros are going to turn America fascist once the boomers implode the world economy in a few years. Just do it bro. Match American military spending bro. You need it bro.
They could have idk, introduced sanctions at least. They could have stopped military cooperation and threatened to form their own alliance. It was a deeply unjustified, dare i say criminal war that needed a more forceful response than Europe was able to come up with. I have no great love for the couch fucker but he's correct here
So now he is saying dont fall in line and please retaliate to our bs?
So he does have a humiliation kink?
respectfully i hope jd vance suffers permanent 24/7 diarrhea from all orifices
but think of the couches.
lets go with constipation. Permanent. constipation.
Still from all orifices though, right? That would finally shut him up
Yes, of course.
Respectfully.
With all due respect.
Constant runny eyeliner.
He's already spewing enough shit.
I remember when Republicans renamed french fries to freedom fries because France opposed the Iraq War
Oh yeah, that time the USA kept lying about weapons of mass destruction found there and Washington not liking being called out by almost everyone.
"I don't know why you keep going on about our current lies, you assholes should have kept called us out for our past lies. But only now, not back then when we were lying with those lies. What I mean is.... ok: see we lied in the past, but you definitely were jerks for not believing those then. Now; I know we renamed French fries to freedom fries in a frothing defense of our "good lies" back then, and I know back then we insisted it was the truth, but now they were bad lies and HAVE YOU EVEN THANKED ME YET FOR TALKING TO YOU ABOUT THIS!?"
His brain is freedom fried.
Why didn't you stop me from hurting those people? This is all your fault!
Fucking eyelined moron
What exactly could Europe have done to stop the Bush administration from invading Iraq on the completely unfounded pretense that Saddam Hussein had WMD's?
Bake a cake with 'Please don't!' Written on it?
But it's a useful reminder from the couch fucker. Should Trump call for aid when attempting to overthrow Canada/Greenland/Panama/Iran the Europeans better say 'No'. I bet that's totally not gonna let Republicans lose their shit and cry, bitch and moan like there's no tomorrow.
What exactly could Europe have done to stop the Bush administration from invading Iraq on the completely unfounded pretense that Saddam Hussein had WMD's?
Threaten to stop buying US weapons? Dump US bonds? Impose sanctions? At the very least not send troops? Europe wasn't vassalized enough by America that they couldn't do anything but watch as America created the refugee crisis of the century in their backyard (which, I should say, is still blowing up in their faces).
Well, with the second Gulf War, the least they could have done was opted out like the French instead of doubling down with the lies like Tony Blair did.
But, as is so often the case with the fascists, Vance's position is meant to create confusion and uncertainty, not to clarify.
Not to mention other bush fucking armed and propped them up before it getting out of control because even then we couldn't mind our fucking business.
Shady Vance is now being told to do revisionist history. I'm excited to hear what he's told to say next.
Why the fuck is VP Bowman ranting about the war his ol' bush started? Is he trying to fuck the memory of what happened, like the couch no one wants to use in the oval office?
Are they going to rename the freedom fries to vassal fries now?
The cognitive dissonance of this guy is unbelievable.
europe did and you clowns renamed french fries to freedom fries like idiots....
To be fair to the EU, republicans could have done more before it even arrived at the feet of the EU
“Krasnov pawn works harder to destabilize the west”
JD Vance can go fuck himself!
Maybe they can do more against the next war your pal the Orange turd is in the process of starting.
"The Iraq war"
Is like saying
"The world war"
Which one?
They mean the one where President Bush and his administration used propaganda to create support for an invasion that caused death, destruction and massive gains for the military industry.
Fuck him, but yes.
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