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[-] peppersky@hexbear.net 31 points 11 months ago

These things suck and will literally destroy the world and the human spirit from the inside out no matter who makes them

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 11 months ago

that's a deeply reactionary take

[-] peppersky@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago

"let's just use autocorrect to create the future this is definitely cool and not regressive and reactionary and a complete recipe for disaster"

[-] crime@hexbear.net 26 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's technology with many valid use-cases. The misapplication of the technology by capital doesn't make the tech itself inherently reactionary.

[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago

It's incredibly power hungry.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 11 months ago

The context of the discussion is that it's already 50x less power hungry than just a little while ago.

[-] crime@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

For now. We've been seeing great strides in reducing that power hunger recently, including by the LLM that's the subject of this post.

That also doesn't make it inherently reactionary.

[-] enkifish@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago

We've been seeing great strides in reducing that power hunger recently, including by the LLM that's the subject of this post.

Due to the market economy in both the United State and China, further development of LLM efficiency is probably the worst thing that could possibly happen. Even if China did not want to subject LLMs to market forces, they are going to need to compete with the US. This is going further accelerate the climate disaster.

[-] crime@hexbear.net 15 points 11 months ago

Again, an issue with capitalism and not the technology itself.

[-] enkifish@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago

Well I agree with you there. Too bad there's all this capitalism.

[-] crime@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago

For now. Are we supposed to just halt all technological progress because capitalism is inevitably going to misuse it? Should we stop trying to develop new medical treatments and drugs because capitalism is going to prevent all but the wealthiest from accessing them in our lifetime?

Regardless, my point was that the tech itself isn't inherently reactionary. Not that it won't be misused under capitalism.

[-] enkifish@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago

A hundred years ago I'd agree with you that technological progress is more important. Now, I don't know. We need to be triaging the climate crisis instead of wasting time making shit exponentially worse. I half jokingly believe that western knowledge workers should go full luddite and smash data centers and backups. Joking because western knowledge workers would never do that in a million years.

[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Medical technology doesnt carry the same negatives. I don't agree with Other Person that it's inherently reactionary, but the theoretical value of its benevolent application doesn't mean much when, for all intents and purposes, it serves reactionary goals right now, in the material world

[-] crime@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago

One of the use-cases of this technology is assisting in drug discovery and medical research, which is why I gave it as an example.

[-] Cimbazarov@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago

Kind of wondering why China needs to compete in this realm? Unless their is something from LLM's that improves the productive forces in a country, I don't see any other reason.

At least the space race had something to do with a strategic military advantage

[-] GaryLeChat@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 11 months ago

Vacuum tubes were too

[-] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 2 points 11 months ago

except this one doesn't require as much power and training costs, which is where the resource intensive problem resides.

[-] peppersky@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago

LLMs literally cannot do anything else other than reproduce data it has been given. The closer the output is to the input, the better it is. Now if the input is "all the data that capitalism has produced" then the expected output is "an infinite amount of variations on that data". That's why it is reactionary.

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