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Indie devs have begun adding a no generative AI stamp to their store pages
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This feels discouraging as someone who struggled with learning programming for a very long time and only with the aid of copilot have I finally crossed the hurdles I was facing and felt like I was actually learning and progressing again.
Yes I’m still interacting with and manually adjusting and even writing sections of code. But a lot of what copilot does for me is interpret my natural language understanding of how I want to manipulate the data and translating it into actual code which I then work with and combine with the rest of the project.
But I’ve stopped looking to join any game jams because it seems even when they don’t have an explicit ban against all AI, the sentiment I get is that people feel like it’s cheating and look down on someone in my situation. I get that submitting ai slop whole sale is just garbage. But it feels like putting these blanket ‘no ai content’ stamps and badges on things excludes a lot of people.
Edit:
Is this slop? https://lemjukes.itch.io/ascii-farmer-alpha https://github.com/LemJukes/ASCII-Farmer
Like I know it isn’t good code but I’m entirely self taught and it seems to work(and more importantly I mostly understand how it works) so what’s the fucking difference? How am I supposed to learn without iterating? If anyone human wants to look at my code and tell me why it’s shit, that’d actually be really helpful and I’d genuinely be thankful.
*except whoever actually said that in the comment reply’s. I blocked you so I won’t see any more from you anyways and also piss off.
If you learned to code with AI then you didnt learn to code.
Same vibes as "if you learned to draw with an iPad then you didn't actually learn to draw".
Or in my case, I'm old enough to remember "computer art isn't real animation/art" and also the criticism assist Photoshop.
And there's plenty of people who criticized Andy Warhol too before then.
Go back in history and you can read about criticisms of using typewriters over hand writing as well.
As an artist who is learning to code its different. It is night and day wether you have access to undo and HSV adjust but still must nail color, composition, values, proportion, perspective etc. Especially when a ton of shortcuts are also available to trad artists who can just paint over a projection. Only thing besides saving tons of money and making it easier to do your daily practise, digital art will also give you is more noob traps like brushes and then the lack of confidence from the reliance on undo and other tools like that. I transferred to traditional oil paints just fine cause the fundamentals are the one that separates the trash from the okay and above.
It is night and day when you ask ai how to make a multiplication table vs apply what you have learned previously to learn the logic behind making it yourself. Using AI wrong in programming means you don't learn the fundamentals aka you don't learn to program. Comparing using AI to learn to program with learning to paint on ipad is wrong. Comparing using AI to learn to program with using AI to make art for you is more apt.
You're right, my bad. I should have worded that reply better.
I meant it as a tool to help you code etc it's useful, especially if you know some coding. It can help you to say finish a game by coding mechanics you don't quite know how to make work which you can then fix up yourself with the desired parameters etc.
If it helps with finishing your idea of a game (especially if it's something like the first game you've ever made), it's useful in order to learn some of the workflow involved in making a game.
Grumpy fucks sure love pullin that ladder up behind ‘em.
None of your examples are even close to a comparison with AI which steals from people to generate approximate nonsense while costing massive amounts of electricity.
Have you ever looked at the file size of something like Stable Diffusion?
Considering the data it's trained on, do you think it's;
A) 3 Petabytes B) 500 Terabytes C) 900 Gigabytes D) 100 Gigabytes
Second, what's the electrical cost of generating a single image using Flux vs 3 minutes of Balder's Gate, or similar on max settings?
Surely you must have some idea on these numbers and aren't just parroting things you don't understand.
What a fucking curveball joke of a question, you take a nearly impossible to quantify comparison and ask if its equivalent?
Gaming:
AI:
Lets just say we're at the halfway point and its 600 TWh per anum compared to 285 for gamers.
So more than fucking double, yeah.
And to reiterate, people generate thousands of frames in a session of gaming, vs a handful of images or maybe some emails in a session of AI.
But we're not comparing the global energy use of LLMs, diffusion engines, other specialized AI (like protein foldings) etc to ONLY the American gaming market.
The conversation was specifically about image generative AI. You can stop moving the goalposts and building a strawman now, and while at it answer the first question too.
Apparently you can only read 2 of 3 lines, that estimate was a global projection of gaming cost IF the globe followed similar trends to the USA (because thats the only available data) so the real global cost estimate for gaming might be far far lower.
The USA alone spent 27 on gaming, not 285.
That still doesn't address that the energy use of AI in your statistics includes all AI rather than just image generation.
If we're including all AI use cases, we'd have to consider all non-AI use cases on the other end too, not just gaming, such as anime production, 3D rendering, etc that also using graphic card cycles.
And still ignoring the very first question.
So, try again.
LMAO wtf? I included all of gaming opposed to all generative AI. My estimate also included the cost of production if you check the source.
You're the one who wanted to compare AI power costs to gaming costs and now you've shifted the goalpost to all power costs for everything total?
It's a waste. AI is a massive fucking waste. It's going to actually literally kill us all with climate change alone, it's going to multiply our power consumption many times over in only a couple of decades at the current rate even after you account for efficiency gains. It's beyond worthless, it's an almost pure negative.
Reread what I said, calmer this time.
Reread what I said, smarter this time.