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cross-posted from: https://nom.mom/post/121481

OpenAI could be fined up to $150,000 for each piece of infringing content.https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/08/report-potential-nyt-lawsuit-could-force-openai-to-wipe-chatgpt-and-start-over/#comments

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[-] BURN@lemmy.world 186 points 1 year ago

Good

AI should not be given free reign to train on anything and everything we’ve ever created. Copyright holders should be able to decide if their works are allowed to be used for model training, especially commercial model training. We’re not going to stop a hobbyist, but google/Microsoft/openAI should be paying for materials they’re using and compensating the creators.

[-] lily33@lemm.ee 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No.

  • A pen manufacturer should not be able to decide what people can and can't write with their pens.
  • A computer manufacturer should not be able to limit how people use their computers (I know they do - especially on phones and consoles - and seem to want to do this to PCs too now - but they shouldn't).
  • In that exact same vein, writers should not be able to tell people what they can use the books they purchased for.

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We 100% need to ensure that automation and AI benefits everyone, not a few select companies. But copyright is totally the wrong mechanism for that.

[-] Vent@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

They didn't pay the writers though, that's the whole point

[-] lily33@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

True - but I don't think the goal here is to establish that AI companies must purchase 1 copy of each book they use. Rather, the point seems to be that they should need separate, special permission for AI training.

[-] PupBiru@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

100% this! there are separate licenses for personal listening, public performance, use in another work (movie and TV)… there will likely be a license added for AI training to which some authors will opt into, some will opt out of… it’ll likely start very expensive, nobody will pay, someone will offer up
old works that aren’t selling well for bargain basement prices, make a killing, then others will see the success and slowly prices will follow and eventually prices will sit at a happy medium where AI companies can tolerate and copyright holders aren’t feeling screwed… well, i mean, they’ll be being screwed but their publishers will be making bank

that’s my totally out of thin air prediction anyway

[-] BURN@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I believe this is where it’ll inevitably go. However I’m not sure it’ll be just AI, rather hopefully more protections around individual creative work and how that can be used by corporations for internal or external data collection.

This really does depend on privacy laws as well and probably data collection, retention and usage too.

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