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OpenAI could be fined up to $150,000 for each piece of infringing content.https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/08/report-potential-nyt-lawsuit-could-force-openai-to-wipe-chatgpt-and-start-over/#comments

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[-] BURN@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

A pen is not a creative work. A creative work is much different than something that’s mass produced.

Nobody is limiting how people can use their pc. This would be regulations targeted at commercial use and monetization.

Writers can already do that. Commercial licensing is a thing.

[-] lily33@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

Nobody is limiting how people can use their pc. This would be regulations targeted at commercial use and monetization.

... Google's proposed Web Integrity API seems like a move in that direction to me.

But that's besides the point, I was trying to establish the principle that people who make things shouldn't be able to impose limitations on how these things are used later on.

A pen is not a creative work. A creative work is much different than something that’s mass produced.

Why should that difference matter, in particular when it comes to the principle I mentioned?

[-] walrusintraining@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It’s not like AI is using works to create something new. Chatgpt is similar to if someone were to buy 10 copies of different books, put them into 1 book as a collection of stories, then mass produce and sell the “new” book. It’s the same thing but much more convoluted.

Edit: to reply to your main point, people who make things should absolutely be able to impose limitations on how they are used. That’s what copyright is. Someone else made a song, can you freely use that song in your movie since you listened to it once? Not without their permission. You wrote a book, can I buy a copy and then use it to make more copies and sell? Not without your permission.

[-] lily33@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Except it's not a collection of stories, it's an amalgamation - and at a very granular level at that. For instance, take the beginning of a sentence from the middle of first book, then switch to a sentence in the 3-rd, then finish with another part of the original sentence. Change some words here and there, add one for good measure (based on some sentence in the 7-th book). Then fix the grammar. All the while, keeping track that there's some continuity between the sentences you're stringing together.

That counts as "new" for me. And a lot of stuff humans do isn't more original.

[-] legion02@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

The maybe bigger argument against free-reign training is that you're attributing personal rights to a language model. Also even people aren't completely free to derive things from memory (legally) which is why clean-room-design is a thing.

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