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this post was submitted on 01 May 2026
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Its 17 yrs old now, and most wms use it, some don't, but almost all either support it or require it, and the only issues I've had are due to electron not having ozone on by default. I don't think it's progress necessarily, but it's most definitely on par with x11 by now
On par with X11? Have you tried to do anything even slightly "weird"?
It's not on par with X11 and probably never will be, because the Wayland people just go "that's out of scope! beg your DE to implement it!" for EVERYTHING.
KDE only VERY recently got the ability to do custom resolutions, which are absolutely critical if you have a CRT monitor, like one release before they're going to drop X11 completely. I think a few smaller compositors also have a protocol for that, but like, Gnome? Good fucking luck. They HATE features and probably love the fact that they can just refuse to implement basic stuff and leave you with no way to work around them at the X level.
Our vim clipboard support still doesn't work. It's supposed to work (vim says it supports wayland). Guess what, it doesn't.
wl-copy/paste needs to OPEN A WINDOW and take focus to get the clipboard (for... Reasons™... "but SECURITY!"...) and KDE's focus stealing prevention blocked it from taking focus, meaning it would just hang forever until we added a window rule for it.
We still, as far as I know, have no way to disable our PS4 controller's trackpad from working as a trackpad, without affecting the ability to use it in steam input, without affecting other trackpads on the system if there are any. Because "that's weird, who would want that?" and nobody thought to build the tooling to let you do that.
I'm sorry no, that's not a functioning replacement for X11. People SAY it is. That doesn't make it true.
-- Frost
So your argument for x11 is Wayland doesn't work on crts and doesn't let all programs access clipboard and kb events freely? If you are using a cat, then use x11, thats why it's an option
Except it's not an option if we want to use our normal DE.
(Also, CRT monitors are normal monitors. And they're actually pretty great. OLED-level blacks, even! Just gotta watch your refresh rate, 60 Hz flickers like crazy if you use a light theme. 70 is fine for us.)
I know CRTs are good(ish), but there not a standard use case. Also most mainstream des support both x11 and wayland
Sure they support both X11 and Wayland for NOW.
KDE soon won't, and that's the one we use.
Gnome I got no clue, we don't use Gnome.
Cinnamon is likely to be alright and supporting X for a good while.
Also like... "but that's not STANDARD!" is literally my entire point. That's the problem. "That's not a standard use case" being used as basically a "go fuck yourself, you don't matter". (You might not be implying this, but a lot of people sure do.)
Linux should support the weird stuff too. "That's not a standard use case" could be used to reject just about anything you don't like, even, say, custom fonts.
That is all fair, and I'm sure there's other issues with Wayland, but really all my issuis come down to xwayland problems. I didn't realize KDE was dropping x11 though, that is unfortunate
@p4rzivalrp2 @forestbeasts its getting harder and harder to do what linux was always good at doing when i first started using it: reviving old hardware. yeah maybe you can still run a cli install of linux pn whatever but its like the days of fluxbox, openbox etc are gone. how long has it been since openbox was actively maintained? i stopped checking years ago.
I mean my cs teacher still uses fluxbox, but on the other hand that's how I know what it is, so you might be somewhat right
@p4rzivalrp2 you can still install them but openbox hasnt had an update since 2015. the repo isnt archived but main hasnt been touched in 12 years. fluxbox hasnt had an update in just as long strangely but there is recent activity to the the repo so maybe its still alive. also maybe they are so simple and stable that they haven’t required any updates but what will happen in the future? how long until theyre not even possible to install?
Yeah that is very weird, idk ¯_(ツ)_/¯