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Judge in US v. Google trial didn’t know if Firefox is a browser or search engine::Google accused DOJ of aiming to force people to use “inferior” search products.

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[-] ZeroCool@feddit.ch 322 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The judge in question is 51 years old. He’s not old enough to be this clueless about basics like the difference between a search engine and a web browser and popular examples of each.

[-] clif@lemmy.world 172 points 1 year ago

I teach a programming class to young adults (18-25, usually) and was flabbergasted last semester when I realized that a couple of them didn't know what a directory hierarchy/file system was.

My suspicion is that the ease of use angle of "just tell me what you want and I'll find it" led to this. Not saying ease of use is bad, but I expected more from people wanting to learn programming.

And I'm over here meticulously organizing my music library into folders by band, album, year, etc...o the humanity.

[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 113 points 1 year ago

There's a subgroup of the millennial and gen X that grew up with a sweet spot of computers such that you actually need to know how it works in order to use one effectively. Ease enough to do a lot of fun stuff, hard enough that it encourages learning the technical minutiae. The rise of smart phones and net/chrome books means there is a huge chunk of population that has a superficial and passing relationship with tech. It's big buttons or else it doesn't register with them. It's not their fault, the pursue of usability and fool proofing without actually giving tools to dig deep when necessary means they have less exposure to the underlying tech. Thus are less familiar with how things work. It's an universal phenomenon, I would bet most people have no clue how to raise, grow and process food, but still we don't starve, we go to the grocery and buy what's there already cleaned, processed and packaged. There are huge advantages to understanding the chain of production of food, but I'd guess most people would struggle in an agronomy class about what's a compost bin.

[-] clif@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

100% agree. Great description that dives into particulars of what I hand waved at.

[-] Bread@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

As one of those people who didn't understand what file systems and directories were at 18, it isn't taught in early school so you don't notice it is a thing that exists until you stumble upon it yourself. I distinctly remember the day it clicked and it felt like I had had an epiphany.

Once you break that basic barrier then you rely on your interests to take you further. I went from not understanding that to being a Linux guru in years time, so I fully believe if the desire to learn is there, it will happen. It is just not mandatory to learn anymore. So most people don't.

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

School computer classes are often just job training for working in an office doing word processing shit.

[-] Bread@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Still, it goes a long way when you explain how these things work. It isn't something super hard to grasp either, you just need to know that it exists in the first place. To know that it isn't just technomagic and has a proper rhyme and reason for the way things work. I have seen far too many people use their documents folder as their everything folder scattered without a care.

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

At least their documents folder isn't their desktop folder.

[-] qfjp@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago

And I'm over here meticulously organizing my music library into folders by band, album, year, etc...o the humanity.

beets, it's a life changer

[-] gamer@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

A music folder is like a zen garden. Where's the zen in automating it all?

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