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Defederated from Feddit.nl. Update: Refederated!
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@PrinceHabib72 @antik are you concern trolling? Because this sounds like concern trolling. You know what they say, you let one Nazi in your bar, soon enough you'll own the Nazi bar.
I'm legitimately unfamiliar with the term. I'm being very genuine. I'm not sure what you mean about the Nazi bar, either. I'm encouraging users to curate their own experiences. Any time they see a Nazi, they can figuratively erase that Nazi from their personal existence. If they see a Nazi bar, they can erase that too. I object to being TOLD, rather than deciding for myself, what bars are Nazi bars.
@PrinceHabib72 The metaphor is not from the individual but from the bar owner's (or instance admin, if you will) POV.
One Nazi shows up at a bar, the owner goes to kick him out. But a concerned patron disuades him by saying that free speech is important and if anyone doesn't want to talk to the Nazi they are free to ignore him. They are perfectly capable of choosing who to talk to and don't stand to be TOLD who they can or can't talk to.
That helped me to understand what you meant, thank you, but I guess I don't see this analogy as very accurate. A Nazi showing up at a bar and being asked to leave is not what I'm against- that's what moderation IS. What is more accurate here is that a Nazi shows up at a bar, and a completely separate group arrives at the same time. Since they arrived together, they are ALL made to leave, despite none of them controlling the Nazi's behavior. That's what defederation is like on that side, and the other is that I am told that I am not allowed to visit the Nazi bar. To be clear, I have no interest in visiting the Nazi bar, but my issue is- how do I trust that it IS a Nazi bar if I'm not allowed to visit? I've seen so many people called "Nazi" in the past ten years it blows my mind, and of them, only a tenth or fewer are what I would consider Nazis/neo-Nazis. I've been called Nazi in real life because I expressed my opinion to a friend that I was disappointed Ariel was cast the way she was. Do I hate black people? No, I just think redheads are hot and I was disappointed. Juvenile, absolutely, but worth being called "Nazi" by a passersby who overheard? This is obviously an exaggerated example, but I believe the point stands.
@PrinceHabib72 And it's only my opinion. But if speaking your mind out loud labels you a Nazi, in multiple occasions, to multiple people and contexts. Maybe it's time to reflect and introspect deeply, reevaluate your values and principles. You might actually just be a Nazi, or close enough as to be indiscernible, and just didn't realize.
How on EARTH do you read that anecdote and come away with "Yeah he's a Nazi" and not "Man that person was an idiot and Nazi labels are used way too liberally"? Like actually how? Do you wear a helmet to bed?
@PrinceHabib72 But I get it, you'll rather insult those who disagree with you and provide you with clear respectful criticism, than self-reflect. So, yeah, you're correct, in your own words you're kind of an idiot.
Please read the rest of this thread to see how I deal with non-idiots.
@PrinceHabib72 I did, that's why I suspected initially that you might be a concern troll. Some people feed off of conflict for they crave the adrenaline rush that arguments create. So they're contrarian for the sake of being contrarian and be antagonized online. It happens.
@PrinceHabib72 Well, idiot and Nazi are not mutually exclusive. Soโฆ
@PrinceHabib72 More accurately, the fediverse is one single quantum entangled multidimensional bar. When you enter the door of one bar, you enter in _all_ of the bars at the same time. Every owner controls who enters or leaves their dimensional portal, but can't control who enters through other portals. If one owner refuses to stop one Nazi, others don't have the power to stop the one Nazi and only the one Nazi only. Their only recourse is to cutoff from that portal entirely.