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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone to c/australia@aussie.zone

With the Voice to Parliament Referendum date announced to be October 14 2023, this thread will run in the lead up to the date for general discussions/queries regarding the Voice to Parliament.

The Proposed Constitutional Amendment

Chapter IX Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples

129 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice

In recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples as the First Peoples of Australia:

there shall be a body, to be called the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice; the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice may make representations to the Parliament and the Executive Government of the Commonwealth on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples; the Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws with respect to matters relating to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice, including its composition, functions, powers and procedures.

Past Discussions

Here are some previous posts in this community regarding the referendum:

Common Misinformation

  • "The Uluru Statement from the Heart is 26 Pages not 1" - not true

Government Information

Amendments to this post

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  1. Added the proposed constitutional amendment (31/08/2023)
  2. Added Common Misinformation section (01/07/2023)

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[-] Death2Litterers@feddit.uk -4 points 1 year ago

I know it isn't a popular view around here, but for the sake of a diversity of opinion, here is why I will be voting no.

I am of the view that all Australians should be treated equally in the eye of the law, regardless of the colour of their skin or who their grandparents are. I think the law should be race-blind.

I think it is a step in the wrong direction for Australia to have laws that separate Australians along racist lines. I think it's a step in the wrong direction to enshrine in the constitution that people of one ethnic heritage get special representation that people of different ethnic heritage do not.

I don't care who your dad was, or who his dad was, or who his dad was. Just because someone's dad's dad's dad was in Australia before someone else's shouldn't entitle them to more representation to parliament than anyone else. You shouldn't get special privilege just because you were born into a particular family lineage.

I think Australia needs to do more to help those who need help. Nobody should die in police custody. Everybody should have access to education. Anyone who is born into poverty should be lifted out of it. And any time the government is going to make laws, they should obviously consult with the people who those laws will affect.

Regardless of the colour of their skin.

[-] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

This might be a bit petty, but the fact your instance has a .uk TLD alongside your opinion is, well, kinda yikes. I think a voice to parliament is one of the least drastic changes we could make to recognise the harm that was caused by someone’s dad’s dad’s dad.

[-] Death2Litterers@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It is indeed petty, and irrelevant.

I don't want to just 'recognise' harm that was done. I want to make Australia a better place for everyone living in it, and help anyone who is born into disadvantage, regardless of their family lineage. I do not believe that the voice does that.

[-] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 11 months ago

How do you feel about New Zealand’s Māori representation in their parliament?

[-] Death2Litterers@feddit.uk 2 points 11 months ago

Much the same way I feel about having seats on a bus reserved for people of a certain race and not others. I think dividing parliament along racial lines is racist and I don't support it.

[-] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

No, you don't want to help people. You want to seem like you help people without actually caring about them. If you did, you would acknowledge differences. You don't, so it's obvious you're acting in bad faith now.

[-] Death2Litterers@feddit.uk 0 points 11 months ago

If you did, you would acknowledge differences.

Yeah, that's right mate, I don't acknowledge differences. I think all people are exactly the same, down to their fingerprints. I don't care about anybody because there are zero differences at all. You got me. Real sharp you are.

[-] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

If you did, you would acknowledge the difference between equality and equity.

[-] surreptitiouswalk@aussie.zone -1 points 11 months ago

So you want to help people who are born into disadvantage but you don't want to hear from those very same people?

Oooooookay?

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