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Defederation from Lemmygrad.ml (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by lwadmin@lemmy.world to c/lemmyworld@lemmy.world

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Hello World,

Today, after careful consideration and evaluation of recent events, we have decided to defederate from Lemmygrad.

Regrettably, we have observed a significant increase in hate speech and calls to violence originating from the Lemmygrad instance. Due to the severity of the posts and comments, we are not waiting for the next Lemmy update that will allow users to block instances.

At Lemmy.world, we have always strived to foster an inclusive and welcoming user environment. However, recent posts and comments from Lemmygrad have clearly violated our server rules and, more importantly, our core values. We firmly believe that hate speech and incitement of violence have no place in our community, regardless of personal beliefs or affiliations.

As always, we encourage all users to report any content they deem inappropriate or harmful. No matter one's stance in any conflict, Lemmy.world will always take immediate action to remove and ban any posts or comments that incite violence or propagate hatred.

We encourage everyone to continue engaging in discussions within the boundaries of respect and understanding. As we move forward with this decision, we remain committed to providing all community members with a safe and welcoming space. We appreciate your continued support and cooperation in upholding our shared principles.

Thank you,

The Lemmy.World Team

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[-] gcheliotis@lemmy.world 113 points 1 year ago

I understand that they are staunchly pro-communist and also take a pro-Palestine, including some of them (many of them?) a more clearly pro-Hamas stance. And that all of this could annoy many of the centrist liberals that seem to dominate here. But from perusing the lemmygrad link I do not see clear signs of hate speech, certainly not a clear hate speech agenda as you would see with some hate groups. And judging by the comments on here many seem to be happy to be “rid of them” because they are “annoying”, or “immature”, or “tankies”, or whatever. It really reads largely like “their opinions annoy me” so I’m glad they’re gone.

There may be more to it, I don’t know, but personally I wouldn’t like lemmy.world, an otherwise fine instance by all means, to become a centrist liberal silo where no other opinion outside (mostly US-centric) liberal orthodoxy is heard. So yeah, not convinced that this was the right decision, basically because of a lack of evidence.

[-] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 51 points 1 year ago

Hexbear and Grad users defend genocidal regimes like Ruzzia and China. They excuse their crimes and argue in bad faith. I had so many insane discussions before I decided to block both of these instances entirely.

They are, by every single sense of the word, tankies.

Tankie is not just an oblivious term that has no meaning. It signifies a red fascist. It's like arguing that it's bad that we don't let neonazis in discussions. They do not care about discussing. All they want is to spread their disgusting ideas while hiding them behind leftism.

By defederating from these instances, we don't become less leftists. These people are not leftist.

This is not a slippery slope. It is a necessary step to ensure the growth of this website and actually worthwhile discussions.

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Well spoken.

interacting with them does nothing but benefit them and the spread of their lies and propaganda. It brings nothing of value for anyone else.

[-] Spzi@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

It can be worth to set a counter-point. But I wouldn't do so in hopes of changing the tankie's mind. Rather to help the audience.

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Elevating propaganda and lies to the level of proper discourse services no purpose but giving them false legitimacy and wider spread.

[-] Spzi@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I guess we summed up two main arguments for both sides in neat one-liners.

[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago

I mostly agree, except:

These people are not leftist.

They are leftists, on top of the genocide they support they're also all for workers owning the means of production. Leftism isn't "when good," right isn't "when bad," left and right are economic distinctions symbolizing the people on one side and the aristocracy on the other. There can in fact be "bad leftists" just as there can be "bad rightoids." Bad people exist everywhere, not just at republican conventions.

[-] aidan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

These people are not leftist.

Why not?

[-] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 year ago

If you support brutal totalian regimes, with your only excuse being "America bad," you only use leftist as a label, not a belief system.

[-] HelloHotel@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

constant use of :burn_us_flag: emoji

[-] RockyBass@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

But is 'leftist' actually a belief system? Left vs Right seems to me to be a political construct applicable to the individual country in question, if it can even be applied at all.

Another words, i guess I don't see the point of assigning "tankies" to left or right.

[-] YeetPics@mander.xyz 0 points 1 year ago

Probably the authoritarian fascist governments they support.

[-] aidan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Authoritarianism isn't inherently non-left? After all, Robespierre was pretty authoritarian

[-] HelloHotel@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

their anti SJW edgelords just with a communist ~~bent~~ perspective.

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[-] aidan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Why is them not being leftist? Do you just interpret left = good?

[-] HelloHotel@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Why is them not being leftist?

Bad phrasing on my part. the only thing required to be anti SJW is to be not a liberal. Socialism is distinctive from liberalism, concervitism, (heck, even mormanism), and a lot of other ideologys.

[-] Seudo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Can't deradicalize extremists without engaging them. Not to say where and when that should happen, or that the moral argument is even relevant. As Popper said in the wake of WWII,

If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.—In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.