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[-] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 64 points 1 year ago
[-] tatterdemalion@programming.dev 61 points 1 year ago

It's making fun of dynamic languages because rather than letting the compiler prove theorems about statically typed code, they... don't.

[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 26 points 1 year ago

Turns out getting working code is a lot cheaper and more useful than formally proven code.

[-] tatterdemalion@programming.dev 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And a lot more bug prone. I'm just explaining the OP because people didn't get it. I'm not saying dynamic languages are bad. I'm saying they have different trade-offs.

[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The problem with formal proofs for code is that it assumes the spec/requirements are complete and bug-free.

I find most bugs come from missed or misinterpreted requirements.

[-] tatterdemalion@programming.dev 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have a feeling you are misunderstanding what is meant by "theorems for free" here. For example, one theorem that is proven by all safe Rust programs is that they don't have data races. That should always be a requirement for functional software. This is a more pragmatic type of automatic theorem proving that doesn't require a direct proof from the code author. The compiler does the proof for you. Otherwise the theorem would not be "free" as stated in OP.

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