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[-] vexikron@lemmy.zip 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

At this point I have landed at:

Someday I am going to get a used adventure bike, and modify it to be a hybrid capable of electric only at low speeds / low acceleration, and charge that with solar panels.

Why not an electric bicycle?

Theyre astoundingly overpriced for what they are.

Why not public transportation?

Well obviously use that whenever possible, but I like the hybrid concept because if you run out of fuel, you can do electric running, or if power goes out, you can charge batteries or run important equipment via the gas motor going through a transformer into a battery yada yada.

That and it'll be useful to be able to cruise around on said motorcycle when our modern american civilized society finally collapses into chaos.

I am all for urban redesign projects and locally sustainable diverse economies and all that, but i dont have faith enough of that will happen quickly enough to basically make it totally safe to just stay in one particular metro area.

EDIT: I suppose maximum utility apocalypse bike would also be capable of running on ethanol, and maybe even somehow whatever the proper name for the fuel refined from fast food restaurant grease is, forget the name. Ive heard it makes your vehicle smell like french fries though lol.

[-] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 3 points 9 months ago

Ebikes aren't actually overpriced. Unless you buy them from Specialized. All those components are actually just that expensive. I can tell you this for sure because I compared the cost of building my own electric bike and buying a prebuilt one and I ended up going prebuilt.

[-] vexikron@lemmy.zip 2 points 9 months ago

I agree with you from the perspective of actual parts costs.

I probably should have specified this a bit better, but when I say they are overpriced for what they are, this is more what I mean:

(disclaimer I do not have total comprehensive knowledge of the entire ebike market, please correct me if I am wrong)

Generally speaking I see ebikes going for something like $1k to $3k, and generally speaking you get a top speed of about 20 to 25 mph, and a fully electric unassisted drive of about 40 miles, unless you pay a good deal more for bigger batteries/more advanced drive train, basically.

Sure, this is neat amd useful for people who do not need to move long distances.

But I guess you could say I dont fall into that use case demographic.

And I can get a used motorbike with significantly greater speeds, range, and greater off road capabilities in that same price range.

[-] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 2 points 9 months ago

That's fair. I live in a city of 100k people with bike paths or lanes to ~70% of where I'd want to go. So my life is on an ebike. I truly believe they are an important part of the solution to the problems car dependence caused.

I can tell you for sure that my ebike is cheaper in 3 years than a motorcycle in 1 because I first, don't pay for gas, second, do all my own repairs and maintenance (I can't do this on a motorcycle - I learned about my bike after getting it), and third, no secret fees like registration, insurance, or licensing. I paid 2,000 upfront for my ebike and with the price of my bike and all of my owning costs combined it isn't even hitting 3,000 altogether. I've been able to save MASSIVELY because of this. Ah, and I take it out in the winter time as well. There's been a lot less snow this year for us but I still don't see motorbikes out when I'm on my ebike.

So I will unironically shill for ebikes because I believe in them as car replacements, since I live that life.

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