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Marianne Williamson is running (Democrat primary) with an economic bill of rights as the main thing in her platform.
She’s a grifter. The democrat version of trump, no thanks.
Can you please elaborate on that? I'm curious.
Self help author that rose to prominence on Oprah as a “spiritual advisor”, she should be viewed the same as Dr Phil, Dr Oz, and Rachel Ray
And? How does this make her a grifter? How does this make her like Donald Trump? How does this mean that she scams people like Dr Phil, Dr Oz, etc.?
I vote for people because of the policies they believe, and I think that she actually believes them, and has for a long time.
Other than Cornell West, who is running as a third party, I think Williamson is the best candidate on the ballot so far.
And I say this as a non-spiritual athiest.
Self help author. She’s a grifter. Anyone that does that shit is.
So you don't have any actual evidence that she's a grifter? Okay.
I bet you’re a big fan of Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson too
Nice strawman.
It's not a straw man because his central claim is that all self-help gurus are inherently grifters.
The straw man was him/her claiming that I must like Andrew Tate or Jordan Peterson (two people who I am not a fan of) because I like Marianne Williamson.
Being a self-help whatever doesn't mean that you are automatically a grifter, it just means that you write self-help shit.
The three people are basically inseparable in that person's mind, because OP views them all as grifters.
I know you disagree (I also disagree even though I also dislike Williamson), but the argument is fundamentally not a straw man
I was very specifically replying to that one comment.
I am aware.
You clearly didn't watch her debate performances in the 2020 primaries. She's a nut.
I watched all of them
You're not being very specific in your criticisms. What exactly did she say that makes you think she's a "nut"? I only care about policy when it comes to voting for someone, so if it isn't policy related, I very likely don't care.
Bro everything this woman says is insane lol
Well then it's a good thing that I'm voting for her because of her political beliefs and not because of her quirky self help stuff.
I am genuinely curious what political beliefs of hers you support
This is the main reason: https://marianne2024.com/economic-bill-of-rights/
That's just the Democrat platform but dumber.
I was really hoping you were gonna go with wonky new age shit.
I wish that was the Democrat platform. The Democratic Party are a bunch of neoliberal corporatists who bend to the every will of corporations (same with the Republican Party).
This is closer to what FDR (the most popular president in US history) had in mind, but never got to do, because he died.
Why did you wish that I would go with some weird new-age shit? It's not what I believe in, nor does it have anything to do with politics.
This is largely the platform of modern neoliberals, if you take away meaningless terms like a "living wage" and make it generally less dumb
Hillary Clinton was the first major modern candidate to push for universal health care, back in the 90s.
And then Hillary Clinton came out against a public option when she was running against Obama in '08. It was her husband, Bill Clinton who pushed the Democrat Party to start taking corporate and billionaire donations.
How is "living wage" a meaningless term? Right now, working a full time minimum wage job anywhere in the country is not enough to support basic essentials, such as housing, food, and utilities.
Obama said that if he was running in the '80s, he would have been considered a Republican.
https://thehill.com/policy/finance/137156-obama-says-hed-be-seen-as-moderate-republican-in-1980s/
Yeah that because Obama was also a badass neoliberal king. He also fought hard for public health care.
Not sure what your criticism here is.
And a "living wage" is a literally meaningless statement. Like, give it a dollar amount
If your dollar amount varies by locality (due to differences in cost of living) then guess what, that's also the modern neoliberal position.
Your problem is that the word neoliberal doesn't mean what you think it means, and your confusion is just born from the fact that neolibs don't intrinsically hate the wealthy.
Is that why Obamacare is a public option? Oh wait, it's not. In fact, Obamacare was an act that forced Americans to buy private health insurance, which I'm sure the private insurance companies secretly loved.
RE: Living wage
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/21/health/wages-mortality-risk/index.html
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2801679?guestAccessKey=1cdec717-ea64-4ad2-b6e7-3b2ad0f24715
Obamacare is not a public option because they couldn't get 100% of democrats to vote for that, because not all Democrats are neolibs or progressives. Some are just "less conservative" - see Manchin today.
Like, he literally televized a meeting with the Republicans who pushed "death panels" to try to rally more support. He's a President, not a king.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism
Again I'm not seeing what you're missing.
As a former reddit user who was a regular on /r/neoliberal I assure you I am well versed in it.
So then you're aware that neoliberalism is a pro-capitalist idiology. Are you aware that socialism is, by definition, not pro-capitalist? Social democracy is the in-between point of socialism and capitalism, where the basic needs are covered, and the non-essentials are left to the free market to decide.
Williamson is a social democrat. Obama/Hillary are not.
I am extremely pro-capitalist.
One can be pro-capitalist and pro-social safety net. Sweden has greater wealth disparity than the US and uses the Nordic Model you're trying to claim as socialist, and which is in fact a capitalist society. I am pro-union. So is Joe Biden. So are Hillary and Bill Clinton.
Again not seeing your issue.
If you gave some stoned suburban mom the Democrat platform and told her to scrapbook it, you'd have MaryAnn Williamson
The Nordic model is social democracy, and therefore pro-capitalism. No country that I know of has implemented socialism as described by self-described Marxist economist Richard Wolff (forcing all corporations to be owned by its workers, or as we call them, worker-owned co-ops).
I am more socialist than Williamson is, but since social democracy is the furthest left idiology I can vote for, it is what I am going to vote for. If you disagree with Williamson's platform as listed on the link I posted, then we can agree to disagree.
And again on the "stoned suburban mom" point, it has nothing to do with policy, so I don't care. Attacking someone based on their "vibes" or whatever is not a path of discussion I am interested in.
If you are a capitalist who believes in a social safety net (social democracy), then cool. I got nothing wrong with that.
It literally has to do with her policy tho. It's just the same topics with dumber actual solutions than anyone else is proposing on the D side.
We can agree to disagree then. I do not think her solutions are dumb, nor do I think standard Democrats support a social democracy (which is what I consider to be the absolute bare minimum in terms of policy). I also judge Democrats based on their voting record and not what their platform says.