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The much maligned "Trusted Computing" idea requires that the party you are supposed to trust deserves to be trusted, and Google is DEFINITELY NOT worthy of being trusted, this is a naked power grab to destroy the open web for Google's ad profits no matter the consequences, this would put heavy surveillance in Google's hands, this would eliminate ad-blocking, this would break any and all accessibility features, this would obliterate any competing platform, this is very much opposed to what the web is.

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[-] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 1 year ago

This is why you donate to Mozilla, Thunderbird, and/or the EFF.

It's also why you use non-Chromium/non-Webkit browsers.

[-] gaw@lemmy.cafe 11 points 1 year ago

Gonna play devil's advocate here.. I think most Mozilla money comes from Google and i think the reason Google keeps the money flowing to Mozilla is for Chrome to have a real competitor, Firefox to date is the only popular web browser with different engine and all that. Maybe it's fair for me to say that it resembles a tiny tiny fraction of why Intel keeps AMD alive back then.

As for EFF, i viewed them as just another NGO. For me most NGOs will have a non achievable goals, because it will be the dead of an NGO if they ever achive their goals. (No more money for them).

I'm not against people donating to Mozilla or EFF or Thunderbird Foundation. I think it will be better (yet longer process) if government can regulate big tech, much like what the European Union did with GDPR.

[-] abhibeckert@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

the reason Google keeps the money flowing to Mozilla is for Chrome to have a real competitor, Firefox to date is the only popular web browser with different engine and all that

Did you forget Safari? It has orders of magnitude more users than Firefox and it doesn't use the same rendering engine as Chrome.

[-] gaw@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago
[-] garrett@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

Yep, Safari is still WebKit.

Safari thankfully hasn't switched to Blink (the engine powering Chrome and all Chromium-based browsers), which forked from WebKit over a decade ago (April 2013).

Safari is only available on iOS, iPadOS, and macOS. In fact, every browser on iOS/iPadOS is WebKit-based, as it's the only browser engine Apple permits on their phones and tablets. (Yes, this includes the so-called "Firefox", "Chrome", and all the other browser apps on iOS/iPadOS.)

GNOME Web (aka: Epiphany) is also WebKit-based and is available on Linux.

There's no current Windows WebKit browser that I'm aware of. (Apple shipped Safari for Windows a long, long time ago, but also discontinued it shortly after.)

There are embedded ports of WebKit for various devices in the form of WPE Webkit. (WPE stands for Web Platform for Embedded.)

[-] gaw@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago

Hey i have Epiphany installed on my laptop, i love its clean interface! I think just last week i received an update via flathub and i feel it runs smoother now when i browse heavy website such as Google StreetView.

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