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[-] Mountaineer@aussie.zone 29 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

We elect "Donald Trumps" all the time.
Clive Palmer.
Craig Kelly.
Barnaby Joyce.
Bob Katter.
Pauline Hanson.
Jacqui Lambie.

They only differ from Trump in degree, not in tactics.
This "article" is a thought bubble, not even a fully fleshed out one.

It isn't the crimes that Trump is accused of committing that are evil, it's the lieing, manipulating, etc that got him in position to do it.
The shit that Palmer did to get elected were basically strong arming an entire electorate to support him.
The shit that Hanson has done through funneling electoral funds through friendly advertising companies SHOULD be considered fraud.

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 12 points 7 months ago

Bob Katter and Jacqui Lambie don't belong anywhere near this list. Neither of them are remotely Trumpian. You and I might disagree with their philosophies, but there's no denying that they are completely genuine and they fight for what they believe their constituents really want.

I'd argue Pauline Hanson kinda fits that description too, although it's certainly far less clear with her. But what's definitely true of Hanson and those other two is that they are focused on the issues, not on themselves. When you think of Pauline Hanson, the first thing you think is "racist", it's not "self-obsessed" or some other word like that, which would be the first thing about Trump.

Craig Kelly and Barnaby Joyce I don't know quite as much about, but the general sense I get of them is more along the same lines. Bad political positions, bad people in their personal lives, but not focused on bigging themselves up like Trump is.

Which leaves Palmer. Who definitely does fit that. But who, it's very notable, did not have a lot of electoral success. He got himself elected once, in one seat. His party has a single seat in the Senate, which no longer really even derives itself from Palmer who hasn't been strongly publicly involved in the party since long before that Senator won his election latest election. Palmer doesn't have the capacity to become a Trump because he doesn't have the capacity to win the widespread national success that would be necessary for that.

[-] Mountaineer@aussie.zone 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Oh, I thought we were talking about "bad people who shouldn't be anywhere near political levers", not "egotisitical idiots".

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 3 points 7 months ago

Did you read the article? I thought it was pretty clear that it was focused on Trump's egotism, and Australia's dislike for that style of interaction.

[-] Mountaineer@aussie.zone 3 points 7 months ago

Sure I read it, but Simon's premise is incorrect.

Even his tangential commentary is incorrect.
Neither Kevin Rudd or Tony Abbott were booted for making "captains calls", they were booted as fall guys by their parties before going to election.

[-] Ilandar@aussie.zone 4 points 7 months ago

Neither Kevin Rudd or Tony Abbott were booted for making “captains calls”, they were booted as fall guys by their parties before going to election.

That's true. The centralisation of decision making annoyed other members and was part of the reason they lost faith in the leadership, but the biggest reason of all was the poor polling. The ABC documentaries made that quite clear.

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