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submitted 8 months ago by danie10@lemmy.ml to c/technology@lemmy.world

The Android developer just published an updated landing page for Google Messages, showing off key features ranging from customization, privacy and security, and, of course, AI.

On this landing page, there are different sections for each feature set, including one for RCS. As spotted by 9to5Google, if you expand this list of RCS features and scroll to the bottom, you see a section on "Coming soon on iOS: Better messaging for all." That's no surprise: We've known Apple was adopting RCS since November. However, it's the next line that brings the news: "Apple has announced it will be adopting RCS in the fall of 2024."

Of course, this does not say a lot as it is "in the fall" which is anywhere over a couple of months, and Google has tried to embarrass Apple into making moves before. I suppose, though, there is the looming court case against Apple which is anyway keeping pressure on Apple. If it were not for the US court case, I would have guessed Apple may have pulled out after the EU had ruled Apple was not a dominant player in the market (although the EU case was looking more at interoperability with WhatsApp and others in Apple Messages).

Of course, with Apple actually including RCS now, they can probably argue that there is interoperability via RCS between their platform and Android too. It must be remembered that in many countries, like mine, SMS's are paid for so are very expensive to use for any form of chatting, and the costs go up exponentially when you text an international number.

I personally have quite a few issues with interoperability with Apple:

  • I still have AirTags from when I had an iPhone and I daily get the audio beeps warning me the AirTags are not connected (I use an Android phone and alternate between an iPad and an Android tablet)
  • I can't wait to sell my AirTags and get the new one's Google was working on that will interoperate with Apple, but supposedly Apple has been delaying building in that support into their devices (which Google already built into Android for AirTags in 2023)
  • Because I was on Apple Messages and my iPad still sometimes connects, I find a message on my iPad that arrived a week ago which I had not seen (I had Beeper which was solving this problem)

Apple is not at all dominant outside the USA, but it makes interacting with Apple users quite a pain, as Apple has gone out of their way to try to keep their users inside the walled garden.

See https://lifehacker.com/tech/google-just-revealed-when-apple-will-officially-adopt-rcs

#technology #RCS #Apple #interoperability

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[-] baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 28 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yeah, I am not using it until it comes to google free android. How is it "better messaging for all" when you are forced to use google's proprietary implementation on android?!

Just keep using signal.

[-] danie10@lemmy.ml 11 points 8 months ago

The "better" though is over plain text SMS message which we have to pay per message. I use Signal but less than a handful of friends use it so it does not help me much on that front.

[-] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 4 points 8 months ago

What are your other contacts using? They can't be stuck sending SMS and paying per message surely?

[-] danie10@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago

They're mostly using WhatsApp and I deleted all Meta-owned apps. So, yes if they want to reach me they need to send a text message as most apart from 5 or 10 have never bothered to install Signal, Telegram, SimpleX, Threema, Briar, Jami, etc that I am on.

[-] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 4 points 8 months ago

Where I am the situation is flipped: I get infinite SMS, but have to pay for data i.e pay per message on RCS.

[-] danie10@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago

That would be the same data then as WhatsApp, Signal, etc. We pay 100's of percent more on SMS than data, so although there is a data charge, it is really little compared to SMS.

[-] joel_feila@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

im curious where you are if you still pay each text

[-] danie10@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago
[-] abrinael@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It’s not plain text sms in either case. Apple just defaults to iMessage if the “text” is sent ios to ios. At least with signal there’s no chance of it failing back to sms.

[-] danie10@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago

From what I understand with Apple's fallback (or like Google's Message app does), if RCS is sensed by the other non-iMessage user, then RCS will be used, if not right now it would still default back to text SMS but then lose some features like hi-res photos etc. Just don't know how it will work for me where I am on iMessage on my iPad, but when out with my Android phone will the iMessage's wait a week until I turn on my iPad again. Would be nice if there was a proper presence sensing, and it routes to there. That may be possible with RCS, but we won't know how Apple plans to use it, and they are not going to want it to be as shiny and nice as sending an iMessage....

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