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Israel to close Al Jazeera news network in the country
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Thanks Israel! Now I know which news network still deliver unbiased news.
Dude Al Jazeera's fuckin fantastic
It is quite literally the only news I'm aware of which is (1) fairly big and professional, competent (2) not automatically pro-Western on everything (3) not run by some government, and filled with stories about how that government's great and any bad stories about it are evil lies
Uhm... This is a joke, right?
Al Jazeera is the Qatari government. The stateargely responsible for the funding of Hamas, and the believed home of Hamas leadership.
I can't imagine this comment you made was done in good faith. Or are you that ignorant?
Innuendo Studios calls this The Ship of Theseus -- taking individual half-truths and stringing them together into a long line to construct an aggregate statement that bears no resemblance to the truth.
* partly owned by the Qatari government
* responsible for maybe a third of the funding of Hamas ever since it was given the blessing of the Netanyahu government to do so
Not seeing the connection. "Some of Hamas's horrible and corrupt leaders live in Qatar, therefore a news outlet funded partly by the government of Qatar is obviously compromised." I mean, Jared Kushner lives in Florida. Does that mean something about the Miami Herald (or would it, if DeSantis was partially funding it)?
I don't think it's a secret that Al Jazeera has a generally pro-Arab and anti-Israeli viewpoint. I said they were fuckin fantastic and listed some reasons; I didn't say they were totally free from bias / free from having a viewpoint. But even their stories directly on the Gaza war (the most slanted selection of stuff you'll be able to find) are actually pretty factual to me. An example is this story about the Hamas rape claims. It's a little slanted. I don't agree with "while isolated rapes may have taken place, there was insufficient evidence to support allegations that rape had been 'widespread and systematic'." But, it acknowledges sexual violence and human rights violations by Hamas. That puts it absolutely well and clear above the quality of a lot of Israeli media from the mirror-image side, and actually more anti-Hamas than even a lot of the Western press on the same story, which for some reason made the whole focus of the story into the New York Times reporting "false stories," without also making it clear that yes, there was definitely sexual violence, that part is undeniably true even if some specific stories were false.
Do you know of any really severely slanted / dishonest coverage by Al Jazeera? Stories where Israel are involved, and not bothering to report anything about Jared Kushner, are the only examples I'm really aware of. Other than that kind of thing I think of it as generally excellent quality.
That isn't what the ship of Theseus is, and I would also point out that staking money from the funder and shelterers of a terrorist organization, even if just 30%, creates a conflict of interest that can't be ignored or brushed aside.
We are living in mirror world when leftists are getting their news from right wing theocracies.
So, no specific example(s) of dishonest coverage from them?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_controversies_and_criticism
There is an entire Wikipedia page if you are truly interested. I don't believe you are.
Algeria, Bahrain, Egypt, India, Iraq: The controversy is that some government attacked Al Jazeera for its reporting and/or took away their press credentials or ability to operate. It's noted that it's banned from operating in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Egypt, Jordan and the UAE.
Australia, Bangladesh: Can't completely make head or tail of what happened but it sounds like government people getting mad at Al Jazeera for their reporting, not some disinterested party saying that some reporting Al Jazeera was doing wasn't true
Israel: I found, for the first time, some pretty credible allegations of them doing something wrong, including among other things one story from February 2015 that actually seemed like something they reported wasn't true.
At that point I stopped reading the list. But I had to go 8 countries down before I found something where it actually sounded to me like they definitely did something wrong, and 9 years back before I found one story they reported that was actually completely untrue (as opposed to just a bias you have to keep in mind when reading).
Question. If an Israeli or American paper:
Would that mean it's a joke and anyone who reads it is ignorant? 'Cause they do that shit all the time. I don't think so; I think they can still be a good paper, you just have to keep in mind the bias that they have.
I would have to know what specific allegations you are making against other media sources before I answer that question.
Sure thing. We can start with:
Well I notice Fox is a common denominator in both stories, and I do believe people who get their news from that source are generally guillable at best and uneducated at worst.
But I also think all sides are equally capable of getting things wrong, which is why we need independent journalists (such as those aligned with Bellingcat, for instance) to have reporters on the ground.
I mean, if your mindset is that Israel is the good guys and Hamas are the bad guys, and so a bias against Israel is an offensive thing and you don't want to stomach it in your news organizations, then fair enough. You can say that if you want. But I think some people will try to present that as the "objective" viewpoint and the mirror image viewpoint as the "terrorist" viewpoint. That's not really a requirement I have for my news (in either direction) -- like just tell me what happened, filter it through whatever lens is how you think it is, and let me sort out from a few multiple sources and make sense of how I think the overall picture is. As long as someone's not outright lying, it doesn't bother me. And I feel like if Al Jazeera were making up facts on any kind of regular basis I'd have heard of it, and the fact that so many authoritarian governments want to ban them kind of makes me like them.
Besides NPR (which itself does not do international on the ground reporting) which of your sources are state funded? Specifically which of them are funded by a right wing theocracy?
None. That is the difference. Fox News might overtly hate gay people, but are they funded by people who have courts which prosecute homosexuality?
We should prevent that sort of stuff at home and disavow it abroad. Especially if we are leftists, no?
You didn't really answer the question.
Someone could say that the New York Times is funded by a mindless money-driven machine which seeks only profit, and all its coverage needs to be defined in that light, and so we can safely discard anything it has to say. I wouldn't say that. But it does make arguably an equal amount of sense to discarding Al Jazeera because they're funded in part by a theocratic monarchy. I would say we should judge them primarily on their output and journalistic standards.
I would say in this specific situation, Al Jazeerah is more of a participie in the Israel-Palestine war than the New York times is.
I however don't read the New York times and have no ability to defend them, since I cut out corporate media from my life years ago.
Let me just tell you, you'd have been on the wrong side of history during the Troubles.
Now that aside, if you think there's only one terrorist organization involved in the current war you need to rethink, well, everything about the conflict, because everything Hamas does Israel does times 10 to 100.
You have taken my position against state funded media and extrapolated that to decide my opinions on the Irish?
Wow. Do you take palm readings as well or convene with the dead?
Do I really need to explain the similarity between Hamas and the IRA?
If you want to send me a pro-hamas diatribe, feel free.
I mean it turned that that there was no widespread and systematic rape no?
I read part of the UN report; I would describe what they reported as "widespread." Especially since they lay out a lot of the factors that would prevent them finding out about any given instance where it happened and they still found a bunch of instances.
Yeah fair enough.
I mean they're not gonna say bad shit about Qatar, but other than that they're pretty good.
They won't tell the truth about right wing theocracies, but you trust them otherwise?
You are very lenient on your sources. I'm not that lenient.
Uh... That's not how bias works.
I am willing to listen about how bias works if you are willing to inform me.