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[-] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 months ago

Weren't the Maori also just invaders who killed the natives and brought invasive species with them? I feel kind.of ambiguous about this whole Maori fascination.

[-] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 89 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The Maori were Polynesian navigators who were the first humans to settle NZ around 1300 AD. New Zealand and Hawaii were two of the last places on Earth to be settled by humans.

Then some of the Maori left from NZ and colonized the Chatham Islands around 1500. Due to their geographic isolation, they diverged culturally from the Maori, adopted a pacifist way of life, and came to be known as the Moriori.

In the mid-1800s, some Maori tribes, armed with muskets obtained from trade with Europeans, invaded the Chatham Islands and committed a genocide for nearly 30 years against the Moriori, who did not fight back because of their belief in pacifism. This is known as the Moriori genocide.

[-] Stamau123@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago

In 1870, a Native Land Court was established to adjudicate competing land claims; by this time most Māori had returned to Taranaki. The court ruled in favour of the Māori, awarding them 97% of the land.The judge ruled that since the Moriori had been conquered by Māori they did not have ownership rights of the land.

Ahahahaha, wtf

[-] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 16 points 2 months ago

The land court's purpose was literally (as stated in the establishing legislation) to oversee the "extinguishment or Māori title".

Setting conquest as a precedent of losing your land was deliberate.

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 15 points 2 months ago

Pretty much every piece of NZ had been taken off someone by force at some point, before Europeans even landed. The Maori tribes had a number of wars between each other over territory.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 9 points 2 months ago

I'd think that's the case for pretty much everywhere on Earth.

It's only fairly recently that we started exchanging coins for land rather than just killing whoever was on it.

[-] ryannathans@aussie.zone 9 points 2 months ago

There's still one little tribe of moriori left

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago

Not 100%, all surviving Moriori are a mixture of Maori and Moriori. At this point probably some European as well.

[-] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 13 points 2 months ago

The "full blooded X" argument is an attempt to disenfranchise Māori from their whakapapa. If a person can and wants to trace their lineage (whakapapa) to any iwi or waka then they are Māori.

[-] Kyatto@leminal.space 6 points 2 months ago

I don't know, I have a not insignificant amount of indigenous blood (not Maori) and without any cultural ties I don't think it's significant as an individual. My family was raised and then raised me with no real connections to any of our hereditary cultures.

I don't really have an interest in submerging into a culture that is foreign to me, nor am I interested in attempting to benefit from any sort of reparations. I'm just a white girl with a large fraction of indigenous blood.

[-] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 months ago

That was my "wants to" bit was supposed to cover. It's entirety your choice and no-one else's.

I don't get to tell you "how Māori" you are, or specifically if you are/not Māori enough.

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

Including David Seymour, ironically enough.

[-] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 months ago

That's something I just don't get. That's why I included "and wants to".

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