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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by mat@linux.community to c/technology@lemmy.world

I just moved into a student dorm for a semester abroad, and beforehand I emailed them asking whether they had ethernet ports to plug my router into (I use it to connect all my devices, and for WiVRn VR streaming). They confirmed that I could, but now that I'm here the wifi login portal is asking me to accept these terms from the ISP, which forbid plugging in a router. There's another clause that forbids "Disruptive Devices" entirely, defined as:

“Disruptive Device” means any device that prevents or interferes with our provision of the 4Wireless to other customers (such as a wireless access point such as wireless routers) or any other device used by you in breach of the Acceptable Use Policy;

So what are my options? I don't think I can use this service without accepting the terms, but also I was told by the student dorm support that I could bring a router, which contradicts this.

EDIT: some additional context:

  • dorm provider is a company separate from my uni (they have an agreement but that's it)
  • ISP (ask4) is totally separate from dorm provider, and have installed a mesh network that requires an account. On account creation, there are many upsells including one for connecting more than one device. The "free" plan only allows me to sign in on a single device, and I can upgrade to two devices for 15 pounds.
  • ethernet requires login too
  • VR streaming requires a high performance wifi 6 network, which is why I bought this router (Archer C6 from tp-link)
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[-] Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 month ago

Not all that surprising. I don’t know of any network manager who’d happily allow rogue routers on their network, particularly if you still have it configured as a DHCP device and not a pass through device, which most college students do not consider and will very much disrupt campus network performance.

[-] Lojcs@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Why does the dhcp on the router affect the main network? I'd think if it has its own network the main network would only need to deal with the router, as opposed to all the devices connected to the router if it was passthrough?

[-] Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Because that router will be broadcasting DHCP signals and offering IPs, conflicting with the authorized DHCP servers on the network. This wiki article will probably explain it better. I’m not so good with the words a such.

Here’s hoping these downvoters aren’t in charge of any networks. Not really sure what part of “a router is a DHCP server” you geniuses don’t understand.

[-] bamboo@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

A consumer router only operates DHCP on the LAN side. Presumably one would plug the WAN side into the university network, making this a non-issue.

[-] Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago

Some of my other replies address that. Worked in IT on a college campus, and every class will have at least a few clueless users who just plug the cables into the LAN ports.

[-] bamboo@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

Makes sense. Would that not be trivially mitigated by just blocking dhcp responses from unapproved servers on the switch though?

[-] Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Should be, yes. At that point it’s a question of how well the network was configured. I’d hope this wouldn’t be much of an issue these days - I did graduate from college in 2011, and I’m sure (hopeful) campus networks have improved since my student IT job days. These days my router config experience is from the ISP side. The only private network I’m responsible for is my own, thankfully!

[-] bamboo@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

I went to college in the mid-late 2010s and I recall they specifically banned WiFi routers, but when I checked what they meant specifically all they cared was that it didn’t broadcast on the 2.4 or 5 ghz spectrum and if it was all wired I was fine.

[-] Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago

Definitely makes sense - security concerns aside, the less crowded the broadcast space, the happier all the APs are.

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