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[-] lettruthout@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago

And the ones in your garage.

[-] ThomasLadder_69@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago

Ah, yes, the old "consumers are the problem" rhetoric when, in actuality, they only account for 10% of emissions.

[-] lettruthout@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

10% is 10%. I can't control what the CEO of an oil company does, but I can decide avoid using fossil fuels. (Maybe if enough of us did the same, we actually could influence an oil company.) We each have to do everything we can to reduce CO2. Dismissing something as rhetoric doesn't help.

[-] ThomasLadder_69@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

While I can respect the idea, pragmatically speaking, it would be too little too late. My 10 percent figure refers to global emissions from personal vehicles globally. In the US, these account for less than 2.5% of global emissions

Like another commenter mentioned, the majority of people (in the US) can't even afford EVs yet, and many can't afford environmentally conscious food replacements. If the government provided credits toward EV purchases/subsidized production/expanded public transportation, then it would maybe be possible. But given the current economic climate, it won't happen, and the rate at which it would change even if the government did wouldn't be significant enough to have a substantial impact. Not to mention that most of these policies are an attempt to disguise a lack of reform in the industrial/power sectors. The article above does a great job explaining why this sort of rhetoric is purposefully misleading.

[-] 31337@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

I agree with your overall statement, but if by environmentally conscious food, you mean vegan, it can easily be cheaper than an omnivore diet. Don't use any of the meat or cheese substitutes or many highly processed foods, and it will likely be much cheaper (and healthier) than an omnivore diet.

On the other hand, industrial agriculture isn't very environmentally conscious; it basically turns fossil fuels into food (fossil fuel derived fertilizer, pesticides, and herbicides; machinery, transportation, processing, and refrigeration powered by fossil fuels). Still more efficient than meat and dairy though, since the animals are fed the output from agriculture.

I think EVs are about on par with ICE on total cost of ownership now (but higher initial cost still).

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