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[-] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 49 points 1 day ago

Google, like Microsoft then begs for taxpayer money to run this operation and the government, being in bed with all companies agrees to sell its citizens out...yet again.

Inb4 Microsoft and google electricity services for residents.

[-] felbane@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

If it results in the nuclear plants remaining online and providing energy after the AI bubble pops, that doesn't seem so bad.

Fission is one of the cleanest energy sources we have today.

[-] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

A nuclear fission power plant generates about as much CO2 as wind turbines if you have a look at it's whole lifecycle. That's because just operation doesn't generate CO2. But nonetheless that power plant is made from materials like lots of concrete. It needs to be built, decommissioned, etc. You need to mine the uranium ore, ... All of that generates quite some CO2. So it's far off from being carbon neutral. And we already have alternatives that are in the same ballpark as a nuclear power plant with that. Just that the fission also generates this additional nuclear waste that is a nightmare to deal with. And SMRs are less efficient than big nuclear power plants. So they'll be considerably less "clean" than for example regenerative energy. I'd say they're definitely not amongst the cleanest energy sources we have today. That'd be something like a hydroelectric power. However, it's way better than oil or natural gas or coal. At least if comparing CO2 emissions.

[-] independantiste@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It definitely is amongst the cleanest energy sources we have today, especially when the choice for most is either oil, coal or nuclear, the choice is easy. Hydro, solar or wind are often not viable because of climate or location reasons. Not to mention that all of these need to be built using concrete, that is not unique to nuclear. Also important is that hydro electricity also dramatically alters the area, killing many animals and moving many species out of their home.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago

You don't need much concrete for wind, and only a single slab for the solar transformer.

The problem is the assumption that the datacenter must be running at 100% power 24/7

[-] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Btw, wind turbines aren't made of concrete, the towers are metal tubes. But the blades are problematic, since they're made from fiberglass. And solar panels aren't concrete either. While - if I drive past a nuclear power plant, those are really huge concrete structures. And the problematic things about hydro plants are the reservoirs. It's flooding a vast area to build a new reservoir and changing the flow in the river that destroys ecosystems. The plant itself isn't that bad. So ideally you build it into an existing flow of water or use tidal energy instead of building a new dam. And that concern wouldn't apply. I'm not an expert on north american geography, but I bet there are some opportunities left for power plants with a lesser impact on the ecosystem.

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