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Stephen Starr in Hamtramck, Michigan
Mon 14 Oct 2024 11.00 EDT

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

It doesn't, really. You'll see when it fizzles out.

Additonally, we can see even in other countries with RCV that it doesn't majorly improve things, RCV isn't a panacea, the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie still dominates the electoral system.

[-] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I never said it was a panacea, I said you'd be able to vote for better candidates without risk, currently it makes no sense to vote for candidates that have no chance of winning.

if it fizzles out It'll be because of republicans, that many bills in that short of a time is not insignificant

i don't understand why you're arguing against ranked choice, it's objectively and obviously better than fptp

do vou think voting jill stein has a higher chance of success even though it's mathematically impossible?

if everyone doing that instead pushed for ranked choice, maybe you'd get some actual long term results instead of just throwing your vote away

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

I'm not arguing against RCV, I'm arguing against the idea that

1: it will ever pass, and

2: the idea that if it passed, it would change anything.

Revolution is necessary, something you'd think was obvious given your username.

[-] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

1: it will ever pass, and

https://thefga.org/research/ranked-choice-voting-partisan-plot-to-disrupt-elections/

you're wrong there, by your own reasoning, it would be hugely beneficial for the democrats to pass ranked choice.

2: the idea that if it passed, it would change anything.

Of course it would change things, you're clearly all or nothing, but the fact of the matter is ranked choice voting is OBJECTIVELY a better system, and it would allow you to actually run candidates and potentially make meaningful change. You would never have to hopelessly strategically vote and end up accomplishing nothing, you could have a socialist candidate that you could freely vote for without helping fascists. This is massive even if you refuse to acknowledge it.

Revolution is necessary, something you’d think was obvious given your username.

I agree, revolution is necessary to fix everything, but I don't think revolution is more realistic than passing ranked choice voting, because i'm not braindead. The fact is, passing ranked choice would still be of great benefit to the working class, just because it doesn't become your ideal utopia overnight doesn't mean ranked choice doesn't matter at all and isn't worth doing.

By your own logic, if no policy has ever benefitted the american people without a revolution, why did the ACA pass?

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

I've seen your article, I doubt it will happen. The ACA was passed in the most incomplete and gutted form possible that dramatically benefitted the pharmaceutical industry.

And no, I'm a Marxist, not a Utopian. I understand that building takes time, I just understand that we have little control of what gets passed without outside pressure.

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