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Copying my comment from another thread: when I need to discuss "change through bourgeois electoralism" with libs I love sharing this interview:
https://web.archive.org/web/20240930111014/https://www.newstatesman.com/long-reads/1934/10/h-g-wells-it-seems-me-i-am-more-left-you-mr-stalin
It's so perfect; it's a reputable Western newspaper so you can share it in almost any setting, just preface it for plausible deniability with something like: "It's a hilarious read, one of the greatest modern liberal intellectuals debates a genocidal maniac frothing at the mouth!"
Libs love the idea and usually swallow the bait expecting funzies, they looooove them a stuck-up Brit "speaking truth to power" and handing out "hitchslaps".
And then Stalin absolutely demolishes Wells and it really fucks with their world. Wells says FDR's New Deal will bring about socialism in the USA and Stalin's like nah cause the economy is in the hands of capitalists so at most you will get some concessions which capitalists will keep fighting to revert. Stalin's arguments are so clear and concise, and his predictions are so plainly correct, while Wells is just being confidently wrong and terribly smug about it.
I had some success with it too, including one well-meaning lib literally telling me the next day, "Stalin was right" which are the three words I would not expect a lib utter under any circumstances.
Reading this reminds me of Tucker Carlson’s interview with Putin. It’s very obvious through the interview who is working within historical context and material realities and who is stuck in idealist fantasyland.
These are the folks purged by red scare McCarthyism. Stalin was very prescient. This is a good read, thank you.
Edit: The best dig was at the end
Hahaha yeah I'm in awe of how Wells is full of himself, my favourite quotes are "It seems to me that I am more to the Left than you, Mr Stalin" which Wells utters in the same breath he praises Henry fucking Ford who would later support NSDAP with such fervor Hitler wanted to make Ford the leader of the fascist movement in the US; and "I do not know if you are prepared yet for that much freedom" in regards to the PEN Club, which at the time of this interview forbid it's members from using words such as "nationalism, inter-nationalism, democracy, aristocracy, imperialistic, anti-imperialistic, bourgeoisie, revolutionist or alike", wow that's way too much freedom for authoritarian Soviets to handle lol