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submitted 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) by Blaze@feddit.org to c/yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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The whole post seems strange to me, what do you all think?

Additional context: https://fedihosting.foundation/lw-team/

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[-] laverabe@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I just blocked LW, not that I really have anything against it, there is just too much drama. (IE what you're seeing trying to migrate your community)

90% of the posts in my 'feed' were from LW, even though it made up less than 20% of the communities I was subscribed to.

Moving away from LW is the best thing for the health of the fediverse in the long run. There is too much liability on that single instance, and they're only going to get more restrictive to cover their legal liabilities - and I don't really blame them. If people continue to centralize there, it will only guarantee a large future collapse and migration similar to reddit July-2023.

Decentralization = stability. It's the whole point of the fediverse.

Thank you for suggesting lemmy.zip btw, it's so much nicer. A lot less stressful. I've been meaning to migrate some communities (I have to get the time to put a poll together to see if that's what people want).

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago
[-] laverabe@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

Pretty slow, I haven't had much time to work on a bot for it (kinda outside my knowledge scope atm). Is there a dumbed down explanation/template to explain to people why a move off server would be good (on a technical basis, with a single chart/diagram)?

I was looking at your casual conv post but honestly I don't really understand it all, other than diversification=good.

[-] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Minor nitpick, they weren't migrating their community, OP was advertising his comm in another one.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago
[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 40 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I've seen a lot of LW users behaving like this.

They want a single comm per topic, preferably in LW; and everyone should go to that comm, no dissidence allowed. Always talking about "not splitting efforts", or some FUD like "unless we gather together Lemmy will never succeed".

And, when you tell them a clear "no", they throw a tantrum. Like Serinus did there.

I think that they got out of Reddit, but they didn't get Reddit out of themselves. They still behave like this was a Reddit-like monolithic platform; so when they see decentralisation - like multiple comms for the same topic, in different instances - they treat it as a bug, when it's a feature.

~~Anyway, I'd call that FAPTB (failed attempt of powertripping).~~ EDIT: wow, they removed your mention of the other comm! Talk about pettiness. PTB.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 22 points 2 days ago

I think that they got out of Reddit, but they didn’t get Reddit out of themselves. They still behave like this was a Reddit-like monolithic platform; so when they see decentralisation - like multiple comms for the same topic, in different instances - they treat it as a bug, when it’s a feature.

Maybe we should point them out to Discuit and their 181 weekly active users: https://discuit.net/DiscuitMeta/post/NlAdOWAp

Some people indeed don't seem to understand that if Lemmy has 43k monthly active users, it's thanks to the different instances and community. Would ml been a single forum, most of the people wouldn't have even registered. LW could have a decent following, but the regular debatable policy updates would have probably pushed people away.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Sounds like Discuit should add apub integration. At this day and age it honestly baffles me that people like the devs of raddle and discuit go all like "No we don't want to talk to anyone else. You have to join our walled garden!"

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 9 points 2 days ago

There are at least 4 or 5 forums on /r/Redditalternatives which could definitely benefit from ActivityPub, but they don't see the appeal.

One of them even asks for people credit card information to avoid bots

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

There are at least 4 or 5 forums on /r/Redditalternatives which could definitely benefit from ActivityPub, but they don't see the appeal.

Ye I know, it's fucking bizarre. Every 6 months, a new reddit alternative comes up which doesn't have apub and expects to get user by sheer charm or smt.

One of them even asks for people credit card information to avoid bots

Lol, at an age where people are preconditioned to assume this means a subscription lock-in and the rest don't even own one, I wonder how many people took them up on that offer.

I also love the naivety of thinking $3 once will stop spammers. As if that wouldn't be a perfectly cheap amount to pay to spam all their users if they had a lot of them. Twitter has $8 a pop and it's innundated with spam

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[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 2 days ago

we think flat earthers should be more respected than leftists on our instance

People rush faster off lw

lw harrases people posting elsewhere

Does lw have the same PR philosophy of musk and spez?

[-] ramble81@lemm.ee 17 points 2 days ago

Am I just using Lemmy differently from these people? I want to find a community, I go to search, it pulls up all connected instances, I pick which one has the highest subscribe count regardless of what instance it’s on and use it like any other community. (Well, minus tankie instances). It’s really no trouble if it’s somewhere else and half the times I don’t even notice.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 10 points 2 days ago

Active users can sometimes be a better metric than subs, but yes, that's the idea

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 2 days ago

.world mods and admins are just seething right now because they were unsuccessful in moving 196 to .world. The whole community just fucked off to !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone

This behaviour will just continue, its what .world is destined to do because they think we need them.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 2 days ago

Y'all are assigning way to much maliciousness to the people running a non-profit.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 9 points 2 days ago

I usually trust LW, especially Ruud. One point I just don't get is why staying federated with Threads

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I do think the L.W. position is a bit too status-quo, but being misguided isn't the same as being a mustache twirling villain pirate captain laughing

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[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 9 points 2 days ago

Why is a decentralised instance in a decentralised social network infrastructure wanting to be the centralised instance.

IMO, Lemmy.world is a greater risk to Lemmy than Meta's threads.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yeah duh, thats why everyone is pissed at .world. Their admins also didnt sign the anti meta petition (fedipact) and for that and many other reasons are defederated by other instances.

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 7 points 2 days ago

Imo the fedipact is silly. It shouldn't be a reason to defederate from someone

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago

Nobody is deferating because someone didn't sign the fedi pact, but people do bring that as a con for that instance.

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[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 15 points 2 days ago

I love that one can actually hope to call out BS on the Fediverse.

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago

Yeah, this one is PTB territory for sure.

While balancing decentralized communities with making it easy to find and use communities is always going to be difficult, you don't use your mod position and admin position to try and force whatever side you think is best. That is part of the reason multiple communities on multiple instances are a good thing.

Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of times where consolidating onto the most visible community for a given topic makes sense. There's times it's necessary even, rather than optional, particularly when one of the communities is on an instance where it's essentially useless. But the whole reason lemmy works is it not being conglomerated entirely.

Yeah, .world is the biggest instance, so there's a good bit of gravity. It makes sense for more niche, smaller, or hard to search for communities to land there. When a community is already going to have trouble being used, you remove as many barriers as possible. If I was going to start the C/ menwholookandsmelllikesasquatch , I'd start it on .world, not bumfuck.nowhere. Also, if I ever run my own instance, that's what I'm going to name it.

But LoL? C'mon, lemmy can support multiples of that. Not even just two, you could have half a dozen and it would be fine. Moderation styles alone will give each their own vibe.

An example from reddit. I play a mobile game. The main, big sub on reddit for it is tightly moderated, with daily and weekly threads to streamline the usual questions and repetitive posts. So you get more dedicated players, doing deep theory crafting, min-maxing, etc. The smaller sub is definitely flooded with the usual noob questions posted fifteen times a week, but the vibe is looser, more prone to joking and casual play.

A game as big as LoL? You could have a dozen forums and each would be worth using for different reasons.

Which is another long winded tangent, but it points out exactly how useless the argument that the PTB was making is.

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[-] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 12 points 2 days ago

lemmy.flatworld at it again lmao, my bet is that they want to control all the main communities on the fediverse (the irony lol) and you don't seem like you would play ball

[-] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

~~Doesn’t really have anything to do directly with LW. This is one person, who happens to be a mod of a community on LW, being mad at someone for having the same community somewhere else.~~

Edit: oooh, he’s part of the LW staff 😂

I’m 100% behind Blaze.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 17 points 2 days ago

Someone on the LW Community Team, and able to lock down communities, has more rights than a normal LW mod

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 11 points 2 days ago

Edit: oooh, he’s part of the LW staff 😂

I’m 100% behind Blaze.

Thanks 😄

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 13 points 2 days ago

The strange thing is that I'm not completely against LW. The sysadmins do a great job, and offer a solid experience for a lot of users.

I usually post to LW communities like the ones I quoted above when it's a topic I'm not really that invested about, or when it's still niche on Lemmy, so having the main community on LW is just easier.

But on the other hand, when there's a topic I care about, I usually indeed try to offer an alternative on another instance like Lemm.ee. Just seems healthier to spread communities across instances a bit.

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[-] CTDummy@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago

Is it possible to see who moderates a particular action if they don’t comment? These sort of posts and recently having my own post moderated for “politeness” (after implying some iamverysmart tool huffs their own farts) has lead me to believe the multiple groups having issues with LW moderation have good reason for it.

Like for this post, I want to understand people not wanting to split traffic when lemmy isn’t exactly swimming in it but I don’t know.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 7 points 2 days ago

You can try to filter by mod in the modlog

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