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[-] Mechanismatic@lemmy.ml 107 points 1 year ago

"Okay, I switched to Linux, now I'm getting this error message: _______."

"Install ______."

"It gives me this error now: ______."

"You have to update the _____ library first."

"It won't let me."

"You have to use sudo."

"It tells me to clone the git via the command line, but git says verifying login from command line isn't supported any more."

"You're following seven year old instructions."

"They're the only instructions I can find."

"You should switch to this other flavor of Linux."

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[-] RCKLSSBNDN@lemmy.world 80 points 1 year ago

I remember I had a date with a girl back in the'10s. We hit it off and got back to her place. Wanted to show her a funny Internet video.

She brought out an ancient laptop that refused to boot and said her Ex had tried to fix it with Linux.

I got it pointed at the right dependencies, she fellated me as it updated.

I think this is my only sexy story that includes Linux.

Well, I guess there was this one time I loaned a lonely neighbor DOS 6 disks.

But, that does not include Linux.

[-] HenrysCat@feddit.uk 52 points 1 year ago

My suspicion is it's not just your sexy Linux story but the only sexy Linux story.

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[-] Holyginz@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago

Switch to Linux and spend way more time making sure everything is updated and having to jump through hoops installing things.

[-] Dnn@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago

No idea what you mean. I just quickly wanted to update before calling it a night, got a grub update and now it neither boots the default nor the fallback image. I use Arch BTW.

[-] Little1Lost@open-source.social 13 points 1 year ago

so everything breaks daily i assume?

[-] Dnn@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

More seriously: it really doesn't. This was the first time for me. Fit perfectly here though. Now where did I put that that live USB drive...?

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[-] somedaysoon@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That is not a problem on any of the major distros, so I'm not sure what you've been using. Most distros have a GUI package manager that is awesome and you can update with just a few clicks. So what hoops are you jumping through, and how is this such a problem that it's costing you time?

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[-] ColPanic@lemmy.world 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No, you don't say "switch to Linux". This is an opportunity to be free from the shackles of being the go-to IT support person! If they say they are having computer problems, ask "Is it Linux? No? Sorry, can't help you"

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[-] ttmrichter@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

A non-technical end-user once had a problem with Windows. A technical friend said "SWITCH TO LINUX". Now they have thousands of problems.

I've been a non-stop user of Linux as my primary OS since before Ubuntu was a thing. I do not recommend Linux systems to my non-technical friends.

[-] Aggravationstation@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

My Aunt bought a new laptop to run her eBay/Facebook selling business on. She's not particularly techy but has used Windows machines for admin work for prob 20 years or so. Laptop had no office apps installed and she tracks everything in a spreadsheet. Original plan was to install Libreoffice but it was running some budget version of Windows 10 you can't install anything on, can't remember what it's called. So I installed Fedora. Chromium and Libreoffice Calc open on login, her ancient HP printer works, she's able to access her camera as USB mass storage when she lists items and unattended upgrades are enabled. That was 2 years ago, no problems since.

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[-] Iron_Lynx@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

ngl, the "switch to linux" crowd is close to a vibe of complaining that "my car is making some weird sounds" and the response is to "buy a new car!" I mean, it would solve the problem of not having that issue with windows/your car, but it also means you have to intrusively replace your workflow and probably find some entirely new programs to do what you already could, and potentially have many new, less explicable problems, just to not have that one tiny problem that you could live around.

[-] Fisk400@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

Often it's worse. It like telling people to move to a different country because the roads are better there.

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[-] PolarisFx@lemmy.fmhy.ml 34 points 1 year ago

I love Linux, but it's my job. When I go home I just want the simplicity of Windows. Thanks to tons of useless certifications it does exactly what I tell it to do.

When family wants a new OS install I don't suggest Linux or even mention it's existence. They get a version of Windows 10 with the bloat ripped out and the inability to upgrade to Windows 11. 90% of tech support calls have been stopped.

What friends I have attempted to convert usually go back to Windows due to Nvidia driver issues but as we move forward and gaming becomes less of a hurdle maybe we'll see more converts. Especially if Windows keeps pushing their whole cloud OS thing.

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[-] AnonymousLlama@kbin.social 32 points 1 year ago

About the same when you ask for a good GUI replacement for X and someone replies "just use the command line", like cheers for that men, not what I'm asking for.

[-] littlecolt@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago

AMEN! I asked recently if there was a good Linux alternative to this program I used in Windows called "Bulk Rename Utility" and i was flooded by people telling me how easy it was to set up a script to do what I want.

Turns out the best alternative is running BRU in Wine.

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[-] Stillhart@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Okay, I'll bite. I've been trying Linux every few years for the last few decades and it's never been anywhere close to replacing Windows for me. I'm not a luddite; I was in tech for many years (MCSE certified) but there just... ALWAYS something that doesn't work right. And there's NEVER a simple fix. Linux for me ends up being more of a hobby than a tool and I haven't had the time or patience to deal with it in the past.

But I'm willing to try again,

Anyone have any resources to get me pointed in the right direction? Which distro to try, how to install as a dual-boot on an exiting Windows machine without breaking it, how to get Steam/Nvidia drivers/games going, etc?

EDIT - Apparently trying to dual boot with Windows on a machine with two physical drives is too much to ask (unless you have a CS degree). Maybe next time, Linux.

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[-] lemmy_get_my_coat@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

Switch to Linux! Then you can have problems with Linux.

[-] somedaysoon@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The problems are different, and you can fix them in Linux. However, if you like dogshit workflows, a lack of customization, no control or the feeling like your OS is in control instead of you, ads in your OS, and telemetry data being sent, then Windows is the far better option.

[-] gaiussabinus@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I made the switch to linux that time they had three bad patches in a row and nothing was working. Every issue I have had in an issue in linux I am able to fix myself since nothing is obfuscated. I was using x11 rewritten by some Croatian dude as a proof of concept because it was the only thing that allowed torch to address the video card properly. Run into an issue in windows and find out that neither the manufacturer nor microsoft are supporting your product. Nothing i can do about it. Utterly rage inducing.

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[-] Archangelz_93@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

I have linux at work. Colleagues use windows. They always tell me to change back to windows when I en ounter problem. I won't install spyware.

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[-] nyternic@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

As someone who has had been around Linux-based people and whenever I have had a single gripe about Windows - it's this.

I don't have a hate boner with Linux, I just feel like Linux is a little too much for the average casual user. Everything is fine until they run into a single issue with Linux, if the bewilderment of not having their familiar easy to run programs that they had on Windows wasn't a turn off for them from the get-go.

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[-] emi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 1 year ago
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[-] ShadedCosmos@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Bird 1: I have some trouble with Linux.

Bird 2: Whistles and flies off…

[-] psycrow@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No, bird 2 then screams at bird 1 for using Ubuntu and recommends distro that will totally work and is totally easy to use despite the lack of documentation. It's then bird 1's fault if they can't get their niche hipster distro to work.

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[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The ones that make me laugh uncontrollably are those Windows disk encryption issues for which the solution is…wait for it… run Linux from a LiveISO, fix the disk with Linux, then reinstall Windows. Because Windows is incapable of fixing its own issues that it itself caused.

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[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 year ago

Really though, switch to Linux.

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[-] Tekchip@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Windows sucks but no one seems to realize this because they're too comfortable with how they fix, or work around, the broken stuff repetitively. The repetitiveness of the bad experience becomes "normal" so nothing is amiss. It being broken is "normal" so in their eyes it "just works"TM. It's almost like a form of brain washing.

It really is akin to people in domestic abuse situations who are just so numb to it they aren't motivated to get out.

Maybe we should be taking a book from domestic abuse counseling or something?

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[-] astral_avocado@programming.dev 18 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately I've definitely been the raven at least once.

[-] samsy@feddit.de 17 points 1 year ago

First time I agree with the Raven. Switch to Linux!!! Windows is just a shitshow, we all watch and can't believe they are doing this. Win 11 will bring us one of the biggest hardware-waste ever in a world where we should spare with resources.

But hey, throw that 4GB RAM machine in the trash bin everyone wants Win11. So glossy and shiny, so hot right now.

[-] Digester@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Do you know what makes windows great? It just works out of the box with broad driver and software compatibility. Extensive hardware support (Windows 10 runs on any brand new hardware as well as old hardware from 12 years ago). Many professional software applications, such as Adobe Creative Cloud, Autodesk products, and Microsoft Office, are primarily developed for Windows. If you rely on specific professional software, Windows offes better compatibility and support.

Linux offers better security and has a large repository of open source software as well as being very developer friendly. If you're reading this it's thanks to Linux. However switching to Linux isn't a viable option for everyone for the aforementioned points. It surprises me to this day how many smart and tech savvy individuals still can't grasp this concept.

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[-] Ddhuud@lemmynsfw.com 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That used to be me. Now whenever someone ask me to fix their computer I'm like "no hablo windowes"

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

50% of the time the Microsoft forum help solution for any Windows problem is "Have you tried Re-installing Windows?"

  • source, my ass
[-] sgtlighttree@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Or sfc scannow, absolute classic

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[-] necrxfagivs@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Of course I know him, that's me!

[-] Genrawir@social.fossware.space 15 points 1 year ago

I used to always tell people I use Linux to avoid doing tech support. It was working pretty well for a few years, now my friend just asked me to install it for him. I guess I played myself.

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[-] gunpachi@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

I used to suggest linux to my friends and family but i stopped doing that as i found none of them actually cared what OS they ran. They also have a misunderstanding that Linux is very complex and difficult to use.

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[-] icdmize@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I've been trying to switch to Linux for 30 years now and am still trying to figure out permissions. Best of luck!

[-] AnAnxiousCorgi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 year ago

Can't have permission issues if you 777 everything

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[-] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Yeah not a very big fan of trying to get people to switch platforms especially if they are non-technical as if they A) have the mental bandwidth to change their whole workflow paradigm to appease someone else’s ideals, and B) even have a use case where Linux is an option

Anyone’s negative feelings for Windows and Office’s telemetry or Apple’s walled garden is justified but if I do know what Linux is, I didn’t decide to use Windows because I wanted to lick bill gates’ boots, I have a specific use case. And if I don’t know what it is, I probably need the OOB usability that Windows and OSX offer

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[-] atamblingpoder@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Well... I jokingly told my friend to switch to Linux - that guy switched and I can attest to it that he is much happier now 😁

[-] faladorable@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I did. But then I just ended up having to google how to fix linux issues nonstop so I switched back

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[-] Wahots@pawb.social 13 points 1 year ago

Every time I try Linux on my own, it's fine. But God forbid I ever use any device that comes with Linux pre-installed, and I'm cursed. I'm on my third steam deck after it software bricked itself, and our university Linux server is so unstable that it disconnects my session with vim every 30 minutes or so. Pain. At least there's a method to the madness: trust nobody but myself :P

[-] ojmcelderry@lemmy.one 18 points 1 year ago

Screen and tmux are your friends in this situation. They can keep your vim session alive when your SSH connection drops, so you can reconnect and continue where you left off.

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[-] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Have you tried using Mosh? It's the "Mobile Shell" which was built to survive the dodgey connections of WiFi, mobile/cell and long distance SSH connections. Well worth a look if you're having problems with a disconnecting shell.

It's available on all versions of Linux, iOS, Mac and Android.

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[-] PillowTalk420@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Why? So I can have more trouble? :P

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