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[-] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I never heard of tankies until I got to lemmy.

The first thing that I ever saw from them was a meme about how Joseph Stalin had very little in the way of material things when he died, despite the position he held.

And I was like Bitch, I care about Stalin's earthly possessions in the exact same way that I care about Hitler's painting with watercolors skill set.

This got me thinking about my western canadian upbringing through the back half of the Cold War. A steady stream of western indictrination and perspective. I recall zero words spoken about Joseph Stalin's personal life or spending habits.

So who the fuck was that meme aimed at? Who is out there, just wanting to love Stalin, but can't on account of thinking he lived in opulence? Who is out there heaping scorn on Stalin for what he owned or didn't?

That's when I realized that tankies are just a combination of Flat Earthers/Sovereign Citizens. It’s all bullshit, and the point is to be exceedingly difficult to talk to.

[-] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Same here, never heard of them before Lemmy. I was shocked by their illogical statements and behavior. I couldn't believe anyone could hold such inconsistent beliefs and not just melt their brain, by so many mental gymnastics and plot holes. I still can't. It just makes way more sense that they are all done kind of weird Russian ai experiment.

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[-] cm0002@piefed.world 1 points 2 months ago

There are actually plenty of tankies on Reddit, but with Reddit you have to pretty much seek it out because of the massive user base

Legend goes that dessalines actually started Lemmy because their Reddit main got perm banned because he went a lil too tankie

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I remember a huge dustup maybe 4 years ago where tankies infiltrated and tried to take over a bunch of left leaning subs within a few weeks. They do it regularly too. I've noticed quite a few db0 accounts that are around 9 months old spewing the usual tankie shit.

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[-] CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 months ago

I too, have never heard of tankies before joining lemmy.

Imagine my surprise, when i, a guy from a post-soviet country, where the fans of soviets are endangered species, see them all fanboying over dictators of the past century over here lol

[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The best part they're from countries that never even remotely experienced soviet horrors. The lead tankies are from Netherlands and many other appear to be from flyover states of the US lol

and obvious it's invaded by ruzi bots

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[-] Wolf@lemmy.today 3 points 2 months ago

I wish people would stop referring to Tankies and authoritarian regimes as leftists. If we stop entertaining the hallucination that they are- then maybe places like Wikipedia will start labeling them correctly as right wing.

From the very beginning of the terms "Left" and "Right" to describe the political spectrum, which originated in pre-revolutionary war France, the Left has always been about freedom from Tyranny and the Right has been pro-government (ruling class) control.

Maybe the USSR did start out as revolutions of the proletariat, but once they were controlled by increasingly authoritarian leadership, that should have flipped them from left to right on the political spectrum. In a sane world that's exactly what would have happened. Guess who's best interests it was to mislabel the USSR, the PRC and the DPRK as 'Leftists'? Ill give you one guess. If you said capitalists and the right wing in Western democracies- That's a bingo! And of course they are going to label themselves as 'left wing'. To admit otherwise would be to expose the whole lie. So in a weird example of cold war cooperation between the East and West, that fiction has continued.

The only reason that Communism and Socialism were correctly labeled as 'Left' ideologies in the first place is because, implemented correctly, they both offer less control by the 'ruling class'. Socialism was meant to return the power to the people, and communism was meant to abolish the state completely. Authoritarian regimes run counter to both those goals. You will NEVER abolish the state by strengthening the state. That makes about as much sense as 'trickle down economics'. Hey maybe if we give the billionaires all the money, they'll give us a little back in return. Spoiler alert, no they wont.

/rant

[-] vga@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

From the very beginning of the terms “Left” and “Right” to describe the political spectrum, which originated in pre-revolutionary war France, the Left has always been about freedom from Tyranny and the Right has been pro-government (ruling class) control.

This got complicated however in early 1900s with political philosophers like Friedrich Hayek and others, after which Right can have meant liberalism and as such also anti-government.

[-] Wolf@lemmy.today 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Well, "Liberalism" is further left than say Monarchism or Feudalism, but it believes in "private property" (as opposed to Personal Property) as one of it's core values- and as such is compatible with Capitalism, especially "Economic Liberalism" and Neoliberalism, which are right wing ideologies. It replaces 'monarchs' with 'wealthy people' as the ruling class. Anarchists such as myself tend to use "Private Property" as equivalent to the "Means of production". In my view 'Personal Property' need not necessarily be 'movable' to count. For example your private domicile could be a permanent structure, but if it's used to live in and not make things in- it's Personal Property.

When Right wingers talk about being 'anti-government', they don't mean it in the literal sense. They mean they don't want the government telling THEM what to do, but are fine with the government telling everyone else what to do. They want unrestricted capitalism, and the 'freedom' to be hateful white supremacist and misogynistic bigots. But they also use the power of 'The State' to defend their "private property rights". If there were no state- they wouldn't be free to exploit people. Capitalism requires a state.

When it comes to small/"anti" government Republican politicians, it's typically a misnomer and used to exploit the 'anti-government' sentiment in their base. For example George W. Bush ran as a "Small Government Republican" and then proceeded to grow the government bigger than any president in U.S. History.

I would put Liberalism and "Small Government" republicans further left than authoritarian "Socialist" regimes.

I think a rational "Left-Right Spectrum" would look something like (from left to right)

Anarchism, Communism, Socialism, Social Democracy, "Centrists", Liberal Democracy, Neo-conservatism, Authoritarian "Socialism", Monarchism/Feudalism/Imperialism, Fascism.

[-] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago

I lean socialist, but yeah fuck this. Ukraine should be liberated as much as Palestine, Nepal, and the Philippines. Fuck authoritarian simps.

The ONLY conflict that should concern us all is the class conflict.

If so called "leftists" think that solidarity doesn't extend to their favorite oppressed people, then they aren't leftists. They are fascists in disguise who associate with an in-group juxtaposed against an out-group. Leftists must realize that EVERYONE is part of the in-group, even fascists themselves. For if their material lives were well nourished and enriched, they wouldn't feel the need to hate.

Now, I have heard that there has been and may still be corruption in the Ukrainian government. That corruption doesn't give permission for other countries to invade and take over, though. If anything, internal affairs should be dealt between the opposing sides PEACEFULLY and DEMOCRATICALLY. If things do come to violence, those internal seeking to restore a democratic system of government should be supported more by those external than the opposing side of corruption.

[-] madjo@feddit.nl 1 points 2 months ago

Slava Ukraini! Go fuck yourself, .ml tankies

[-] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I had no idea so much of lemmy.ml was run and populated by a bunch of paid Russian agents and their useful idiots. One guy had only been on Lemmy for a couple of months and had already posted hundreds of propaganda pieces from Russian state sponsored new sources. Another poster specialized on propaganda from other sources but was just as prolific.

lemmy.ml is the toilet of Lemmy.

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