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Their Rule 4:

No bigotry, sexism, racism, antisemitism, islamophobia, dehumanization of minorities, or glorification of National Socialism. We follow German law; don’t question the statehood of Israel.

Europe@feddit.org removed my comment for de-tangling the conflation of antisemitism and anti-zionism. A dangerous conflation that is genuinely antisemitic and fuels antisemitic hate as it conflates the actions of Israel and Zionism to all Jewish people and Judaism.

This prioritization of the German definition, the adopted IHRA definition, is promoting antisemtitism and is diametrically opposed to the 'No antisemitism' aspect of the rule. The definition has been condemned by the writer of the definition, a multitude of human rights organizations including Human Rights Watch (HRW), American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), B’Tselem, Peace Now, and Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR), and over 120 leading scholars of anti-semitism.

Germany Is Trying to Combat Antisemitism. Experts Warn a New Resolution May Do the Opposite

Fifteen Israeli nongovernmental organizations, including the Association for Civil Rights in Israel, B'Tselem and Peace Now, issued an open letter in September stating their concern that the resolution, especially the IHRA definition, could be weaponized to "silence public dissent."

This could also affect Jewish voices speaking out for Palestinian rights and opposing the occupation, they added. "Paradoxically, the resolution may therefore undermine, not protect, the diversity of Jewish life in Germany," the letter argued.

Rights groups urge UN not to adopt IHRA anti-Semitism definition

"The IHRA definition has often been used to wrongly label criticism of Israel as antisemitic, and thus chill and sometimes suppress, non-violent protest, activism and speech critical of Israel and/or Zionism, including in the US and Europe,” the letter said.

US-based Human Rights Watch (HRW), American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), Israeli rights group B’Tselem, and the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR) were among the signatories

The letter is the latest attempt by human rights advocates to urge the UN not to adopt the IHRA definition. In November, more than 120 scholars called on the world body to reject the definition, due to its “divisive and polarising” effect.

128 scholars ask UN not to adopt IHRA definition of anti-Semitism

In a statement published on Thursday, the 128 scholars, who include leading Jewish academics at Israeli, European, United Kingdom and United States universities, said the definition has been “hijacked” to protect the Israeli government from international criticism

Why the man who drafted the IHRA definition condemns its use

The drafter of what later became popularly known as the EUMC or IHRA definition of antisemitism,including its associated examples, was the U.S. attorney Kenneth S. Stern. However, in written evidence submitted to the US Congress last year, Stern charged that his original definition had been used for an entirely different purpose to that for which it had been designed. According to Stern it had originally been designed as a ”working definition” for the purpose of trying to standardise data collection about the incidence of antisemitic hate crime in different countries. It had never been intended that it be used as legal or regulatory device to curb academic or political free speech. Yet that is how it has now come to be used. In the same document Stern specifically condemns as inappropriate the use of the definition for such purposes, mentioning in particular the curbing of free speech in UK universities, and referencing Manchester and Bristol universities as examples. Here is what he writes:

The EUMC “working definition” was recently adopted in the United Kingdom, and applied to campus. An “Israel Apartheid Week” event was cancelled as violating the definition. A Holocaust survivor was required to change the title of a campus talk, and the university [Manchester] mandated it be recorded, after an Israeli diplomat [ambassador Regev] complained that the title violated the definition.[See here]. Perhaps most egregious, an off-campus group citing the definition called on a university to conduct an inquiry of a professor (who received her PhD from Columbia) for antisemitism, based on an article she had written years before. The university [Bristol] then conducted the inquiry. And while it ultimately found no basis to discipline the professor, the exercise itself was chilling and McCarthy-like. [square brackets added – GW]

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[-] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 1 day ago

They removed a comment of mine today because it denied the statehood of Israel. What a joke.

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 4 points 21 hours ago

I looked it up. IMHO, I don't really think you did in the text.

What a punch of genocide apologizing, spineless dorks. 🙄

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[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 27 points 1 day ago

PTB. There is no reason to blindly adopt the IHRA definition.

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The reason to blindly adopt is to ban antifascists from public discourse.

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[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 20 points 1 day ago

Yeah, I saw some of this nonsense in the modlog. PTB, I don't know what the hell they are thinking.

[-] Rawdogg@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago

Germany not be a fucking nazi challenge impossible

[-] bathing_in_bismuth@sh.itjust.works -5 points 16 hours ago

They're Nazi by not questioning the statehood of Israel?

The internet was a mistake

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[-] arifinhiding@feddit.org 3 points 21 hours ago

Supposing that the mod is using the "german definition", there is still the issue of hosting an incredibly popular instance. In online places where a huge influx of non-german users live, I'd argue that it should be treated like a public place where free speech is granted. How am i supposed to understand the cultural realities of Germany if I live thousands of miles away from it? Am I supposed to tone down my right to free speech just because they've treated their subjective experience as a universal law?

But I like that on Lemmy, I'm seeing diverse discussion on German/Austrian law. I don't get to see that on other prominent platforms, which tend to favor wikipedia-type discourse that often ends with american pop history/culture inferences.

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.org 2 points 19 hours ago

What is free speech? There is no globally defined free speech. So it comes to national law of the location where the instance is hosted in.

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[-] bathing_in_bismuth@sh.itjust.works -5 points 16 hours ago

Hosting in Germany means complying with German laws. They are enforcing that. Its not up to them but the state.

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[-] arakhis_@feddit.org 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

aaaand unfollowed the community europe @ feeditUK here I come!

on that note: Since my account is on the same instance, how do they relate to the community? Like is the reputation of the instance untouched by this or no, if how?

EDIT: DAMN! The uk sub is about the product boycott transition, not about european news.

We need a new instance for that! Guys Europe stands and falls on values. If theres no other eu community or the current one doesnt adapt/make sufficient statements here, that would seriously harm the reputation and take away from one of the biggest current incentives to use lemmy - european exchange

I suspect the last sentence violates German law. Equating Israel with Nazi Germany is illegal under German law as it is considered to downplay the Holocaust because the latter has killed several magnitudes more people than Israel. From a quick search, this has been confirmed at least once by a higher regional court where a cartoonist was fined one monthly income.

Advocating for a secular one-state solution has thus far never been considered illegal by any court. The IHRA definition is not German law and will likely never be.

Since the instance is hosted in Germany, comments must abide by German law even if you disagree with said law. The instance admins are personally liable if they do not remove potentially illegal comments so I don't see why there is an issue.

You can create another Europe community on an instance which isn't hosted in Germany where such comments are legal.

[-] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 day ago

The law is an ass if you can't even make a comment to clarify the difference between anti-zionism and anti-semitism. Why even host it in a country that has such restrictions?

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 8 points 1 day ago

The law is an ass if you can’t even make a comment to clarify the difference between anti-zionism and anti-semitism.

I would go a step further: The law is an ass if the police are getting themselves involved in any respect in what comments you can and can't make.

Whether the viewpoint or argument is or isn't reasonable, or where they choose to draw the line about what's a perfectly fair thing to say, just doesn't factor into it.

Why even host it in a country that has such restrictions?

Fully agree. If this is anything other than a stupid excuse, they and everyone else should make sure not to host in Germany (if this didn't tip you off already.)

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 2 points 1 day ago

"Online trolls"

"Hate speech"

[-] bathing_in_bismuth@sh.itjust.works -3 points 16 hours ago

Because its a German focussed instance????????

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.org -4 points 19 hours ago

Yes you can...

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[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 day ago

Equating Israel with Nazi Germany is illegal under German law as it is considered to downplay the Holocaust

Debatable. The comment doesn't claim that the Shoa and Gaza are comparable. Just that sanctions are justified, just like in .

Also: apparently, it's hosted in Austria.

[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

The comment doesn't claim that the Shoa and Gaza are comparable

Warsaw Ghetto uprising and Gaza are clearly comparable - Marek Edelman, one of the leaders of Ghetto uprising drawn parallels between the two. I somehow don't believe Germany would prosecute him.

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