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Europe can sustain Ukraine's war effort without US, German general says (www.reuters.com)
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Europe is capable of sustaining Ukraine's resistance against Russia, even if the United States were to decide to completely halt its military support to Kyiv, the senior military official in charge of coordinating Germany's arms supplies told Reuters.

Major General Christian Freuding said NATO's European members plus Canada had already exceeded the estimated $20 billion worth of U.S. military aid provided last year to Kyiv.

They accounted for around 60% of the total costs borne by the Western allies, he said.

"The war against Ukraine is raging on our continent, it is also being waged against the European security order. If the political will is there, then the means will also be there to largely compensate for the American support," Freuding said in an interview.

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[-] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago

Europeans need to be reflecting on what kind of leadership they want to replace the US now that they've started stepping out.

For all the chaos they're causing, especially in regards to this conflict, it's not a bad thing that the US is losing geopolitical relevance. I just wish I had any confidence that something better would come from it.

Now is really the time for people to be organizing.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

As I keep saying, America may be a shitshow, but Europe needs to look in the mirror before it happens to you guys too. Far right parties are gaining lots of traction while many assume the EU will be fine, and more war spending is going to exacerbate that.

[-] burgerchurgarr@lemmus.org 2 points 1 week ago

Yeah I’m very worried about the future of Europe. With trump & MAGA the US may be going crazy but they’re still a military super power and they’re at the forefront of tech, especially AI & crypto, so they’re gonna be fine.

We on the other hand boast about our culture and history and Blabla but what does that help us if we become economically irrelevant because there’s kinda 0 innovation coming from us. We don’t really have any answers and we’re drifting deeper into fascism ourselves in light speed.

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 points 1 week ago

I don't think you can equate European far right parties with American shit show. The main issues with American system are completely politicized judicial branch, totally corrupt legislative branch and irrational fear of "socialism" entrenched in society. In Europe, even in countries with growing right wing movements there are still strong anti-corruption measure, the top-level courts are still very much independent (on EU level, on country level it will vary) and most people understand and support social policies. So yes, in EU many individual countries can face issues with their systems and the EU as a whole will struggle to keep its current form but it's still pretty far away from total collapse like in USA. Couple of right wing governments will not take it down.

[-] CircaV@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 week ago

Damn right, France can sail a fucking nuclear sub into Russia and blow up St Petersburg if they want.

[-] Siegfried@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

American? With that kind of ideas, I pretty much want the US out of this war

[-] dickalan@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

What does your comment mean?

[-] Renohren@lemmy.today 1 points 1 week ago

A strategy with a lack of thinking. You blow up st Petersbourg, you get nuclear fire back. If you keep the country occupied with another country, just enough to bleed Russia out, at best you might not even need to intervene militarily, the Russians will take care of their own. At worse you will face a severely diminished foe while you had time to prepare.

[-] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 0 points 1 week ago

I hope the EU declares war on Russia, kills Putin, and ends Russia as we know it. Russia's shadow fleets and sabotage of EU nations should be answered for. Russia may form an open pact with Fascist US within a couple of years, which effectively would kneecap NATO for a while and point a dagger at Europe's back.

[-] originaltnavn@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 week ago

And how could we do that without Eastern Europe, London and Paris being turned into self illuminating parking lots?

[-] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 0 points 1 week ago

Considering that Russia is running low on missiles and other war material, and the shield that is Ukraine, Europe shouldn't be too bloodied if it fights now. A Russia with US-supplied weaponry, possibly launched from a carrier fleet? That can definitely dig into France and Britain's flesh.

Besides, the saboteurs that Russia uses is already damaging western nations. They destroy internet cables under surf and over turf, power lines, damage factories, hack systems, ect. Sooner or later, they will make a critical hit.

[-] originaltnavn@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 week ago

I would have agreed with you if I thought such a war could have been fought conventionally, but a single nuclear missile slipping through the air defenses would be too high a cost to pay for anything outside NATO.

[-] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 1 points 1 week ago

Russia's nuclear arsenal is likely unreliable, the Kremlin isn't known for keeping their gear in good shape. That changes if the US supplies nukes or expertise in one form or another. Putin is weak right now, and should be tackled before he can tag Krasnov into the ring. Either the EU deals with Putin now, or has to worry about a stronger Russia down the line.

There is no good answer, just the ones with a less terrible outcome.

[-] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 week ago

Who are they gonna buy the stuff from though 🤨

[-] Anonymaus@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago

Eu can and does manufacture it own weapons

[-] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Man I'm glad to hear that, cause the US isn't exactly a dependable ally right now 😅 (sorry, I wish we were 🥲)

[-] systemglitch@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

I don't think America can ever be considered reliable or an ally during my remaining life ever again.

[-] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 0 points 1 week ago

Just curiosity, which generation are you? Personally, I had this feeling during the second Iraq war.

[-] Dremor@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Clearly. That's when they showed that they'd attack anyone out of greed. Like they did in Irak.
Sadam was a brutal dictator, and I'm glad he's gone, but fabricating proofs of weapon of mass destruction as casus belli...

I remember well that some, like the French, did not fall for it (having their own spy satellites sure helps, I suppose), but I do remember the mockery about the French surrendering once again. Well they were right in the end. I remember some GoP politician trying to rename French fries to Liberty fries. A petty way to try to get back at them, I suppose.

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

This is true. It’s also true that Europe needs to have the capacity to handle something like this on their own. The complaint that the US won’t save Europe THIS TIME, AGAIN, says as much about Europe as the US.

[-] Anonymaus@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago

Usa never single-handedly saved europe, so I dont know what youre on about usa 'saving us again'

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

No we singlehandedly defeated Japan. We weren’t the ONLY ones fighting the Nazis, just the deciding power in that conflict. You’re welcome.

[-] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No American has a right to talk like this. Our history inspired much of the Nazi ideology around eugenics, we supplied the early Nazi war machine, we allowed a rally of twenty thousand Nazis to sell out Madison Square Garden the same year we turned away the ship St. Louis full of a thousand refugees, and we dragged our feet until we had absolutely no choice but to join the conflict.

We exclusively joined out of self interest at the last possible hour, and the entire world suffered for our mistakes.

If not for Pearl Harbor, we would have watched the fall of Europe and the rise and inevitable nuclear armament of Nazi hegemony, and we would never have achieved the economic prosperity of the mid to late 20th century. The sleeping giant would have slowly but surely died in obscurity while the Axis powers dragged the entire globe into a new Dark Age. Assuming we didn't outright join them or engage in mutually assured destruction with Nazis first.

The US did the right thing in the end by becoming an Ally, but only because the Axis chose to make us an enemy first. We saved ourselves. Nothing more, nothing less.

[-] Anonymaus@feddit.org -1 points 1 week ago

You also didn't single-handedly defeat japan, large amount of the army was fighting and losing against the chinese and in the last days of ww2 soviet union joined the war against japan and defeated the best army japan had to offer, so the japanese were going to surrender not just because of american efforts

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