Agents Use Military-Style Force Against Protesters at L.A. Immigration Raid (www.nytimes.com)

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By Orlando Mayorquín and Jesus Jiménez
Reporting from Los Angeles
Published June 6, 2025 Updated June 7, 2025, 11:10 a.m. ET

"The raid at the clothing wholesaler began about 9:15 a.m. in the Fashion District, less than two miles from Los Angeles City Hall.

It was an extraordinary show of force. Dozens of federal agents wearing helmets and green camouflage arrived in two hulking armored trucks and other unmarked vehicles, and were soon approached by a crowd of immigrant activists and supporters. Some agents carried riot shields and others held rifles, as well as shotguns that appeared to be loaded with less-than-lethal ammunition."

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[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

I’ve been watching it on 30+ different TikTok live feeds since Friday. It’s mutual escalation. ICE hit and run a protestor, protestors began throwing cinder blocks and M80s, ICE deployed tear gas, now the National Guard is dispatched.

Hegseth has the Marines standing by, and the Insurrection Act will be next. This is what happens when we get violent before we have the numbers to fight. We’re fucked because people are acting on emotion and completely unaware that this is Trump’s Reichstag Fire.

Edit: Please share this.

Oath

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 week ago

Yes the protests should stop doing anything after attack by others.

ICE hit and run a protestor

I'm curious why you call it mutal escalation when it starts with swat raids and running people over

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I was clear that ICE started it. If you watch the video, you’ll also see that the protestor was running backwards in front of the vehicle down a main road for half a block.

https://files.catbox.moe/ykdo17.mov

The point is, we cannot be violent in our resistance AND grow our numbers. It’s one of the other. Violence gets people incarcerated and keeps people afraid to leave their homes, while giving justification for further encroachment on our rights.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 week ago

So ICE is the one escalating.

And for

further encroachment on our rights.

Notice that's been happening since the country was founded. Hell cops make up reasons all the time.

Then if there isn't an violence they'll put in a provoker or just make up the reason for putting the boot down.

If we're at the point where people aren't going to fight either way it doesn't really matter

[-] mhague@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

Man what is wrong with lemmings. This guy can't even suggest people could act differently without people downvoting (suppressing) his posts. He thinks police are the problem, but people could do something differently to fight back.

And that's incorrect. On lemmy, we say "police are bad" and that's it. Never cast your gaze elsewhere. Never talk about anything else that could change. Police are the problem, end of story, and if you don't agree your sentiments will put on the bottom.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 week ago

Yes his attempts to put the blame on protesters instead of those running over people is the problem...

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world -3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They escalated first, yes. That doesn’t justify escalation on our part.

Don’t pretend that your feelings are facts. You sound like MAGA.

How the actual fuck do you expect 1-2% of our nation to violently overthrow the government? All this will do is incarcerate people and scare others into their homes, effectively reducing our numbers, while giving Trump the justification he wants.

Your feelings outweigh your logic. Maybe you should keep them to yourself until you can think more clearly.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 week ago

Mate I don't think you understand the counties history.

Time and time again they've shown they don't need an actual reason.

If also recommend maybe you need the chill time considering you seem to really take everything personal when others point out flaws in your spammed comments

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

What about losing people to fear of unsafe protest conditions and incarcerations makes sense to you? All so a few people can get their rocks off like Leroy Jenkins throwing shit at officers? It’s completely counterproductive when we don’t have the numbers to take it all the way.

I’m not taking any of this personally. I’m taking the logistics of it very seriously. This type of half-assed violent resistance is exactly how Hitler chipped away at the population. We cannot be dumber than Trump, especially when we literally have his playbook.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 week ago

Please read and learn history. As others say they will make up escalations or excuses for violence because the point is to crack skulls and terrify civilians.

Like labour strikes broken up by police, voting rights broken up by police, soldiers camping for their pay broken up by tanks, civil rights protests broken up by police and brutality, Vietnam https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20240503-kent-state-university-1970-protests-that-shook-the-us, BLM, and those Protesting against the genocide in gaze.

The only constant is protests are always a risk precisely because those in power are always afraid. Your point should be showing how to prepare not just go how dare those protesters do anything in response to getting upset.

I’m taking the logistics of it very seriously

you clearly aren't, again learn history as the Reichstag fire was just the Nazis doing a false flag to make up reasons for escalations and excuses for violence because the point is to crack skulls and terrify civilians.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago

I’m very familiar with history. What you fail to acknowledge is that our largest nationwide peaceful protest, which will ALWAYS outnumber the violent resistance, was 5M people. That’s 1.5% of our population.

My point of the Reichstag Fire as a metaphor is that Trump is clearly using this to incite us. If the goal was to get criminals first, they wouldn’t have stated in downtown LA. That’s a high profile message. He also chose to use the National Guard before ICE stated it was necessary, over the governor’s head.

I’m sorry you’re too passionate about this topic to see it for what it is, but I will not accept your misguided interpretation of the best strategy for our current situation.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 week ago

Mate your strategy is do nothing instead of preparing or doing tutorials on how to prepare for violence against protesters.

And as usual ignored everything any other person has pointed out

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Protesting and reaching out to the disengaged is the strategy. I’m part of multiple groups that got our protests up to 5M nationwide in just a few months. We’re getting there, but we’re not there yet. Acting on emotions and driving people back into their homes in fear will undo real progress.

But I get it. You have big feelings.

[-] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago

Maan. Don't be a jerk. It undermines you.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 week ago

It's okay, they're apparently the only one allowed to talk about protesting. Then again if they're gonna be in a massive one youd think they'd want to work on preparing for how to handle police brutality and retaliation instead of yelling at others to just be peaceful or convince national guard to not go wild on protesters

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 week ago

Oh I see, your protest is the only one that matters. Yet I'm the emotional one?

I'm extremely curious which part of this you think is based on emotional.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

I don’t follow. I’m in complete support of protest. I’m only condemning violent resistance with less than 1% of our population because of the damage it would do to protesting.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 week ago

Then spread how to prepare for when the police gets violent towards protesters instead of just saying the national guard should know to stand down

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

I do, when the conversation isn’t promoting violent resistance.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 week ago

Ah yes people pointing out how the police are the violent ones using overwhelming force is promoting violent resistance.

There should always be discussions on how to prepare because the police/those in power never hesitate to use it, as evident by ice starting this with running someone over

[-] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago

Fascism will escalate regardless, in the absence of real resistance they will simply lie to justify doing what they were always planning to do anyway, passively accepting their actions will do nothing to help, resistance is the only correct answer and it will absolutely have to be violent

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

I watched it happen all day yesterday. Protesters are throwing rocks through windows of vehicles as they drive by. They’re lighting M80s and throwing them at the agents.

The VAST majority is peaceful. Many are throwing rocks. A few are taking even further.

I get that they’re pissed, but this isn’t the solution. Refusing to walk into a trap isn’t cowardice, it’s strategy.

[-] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

You watched and learned nothing, resistance isn't a trap and your passivity won't save you

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 week ago

look our only options are to vote as hard as we can even when both parties are fighting to be the ones to do this policy

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I never said resistance was a trap. I said violent resistance was. Violence will hand Trump his Reichstag Fire on a silver platter.

[-] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

Nonviolent "resistance" is worthless, idk what part of "they will make shit up anyway" you're not understanding

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Trump is itching to enact the Insurrection Act. That will make growing our numbers far more difficult. Meanwhile, you’re advocating losing resisters to incarceration, scaring people back into their homes due to unsafe protest conditions, while giving Trump the justification he needs to strip our rights.

Do you always think with your feelings? You should try your brain. Logic and strategy know no cowardice. They only know how to outthink the opposition.

[-] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

idk what part of "they will make shit up anyway" you're not understanding

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

What part of “we will lose people to incarceration and fear” are you not understanding?

[-] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago

I'm curious what you see as the winning strategy here. Truly. You can pm me it if you want.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

First and foremost, we need more numbers. Our largest peaceful protest was only 1.5% of our population at 5M people. Violent or non-violent, we will change nothing with those numbers.

The largest demographic in those protests were boomers, older people that would not be capable of, nor interested in, fighting. We use publicly available websites, shared on every social media platform, and that the most commitment we’ve seen so far. Violent revolution would require secured communication channels, losing additional numbers in the process.

People calling for violence truly don’t understand how few would show up. They’d quickly be hunted and incarcerated with such small numbers. The threats of violence would the keep most people in their houses, afraid to protest for fear of their safety, effectively suppressing peaceful resistance.

Calling for violence before we have the commitment is exactly how Hitler chipped away at wave after wave, and is precisely Trump’s plan. He first dispatched ICE to downtown LA, not skid row where they’d be more likely to find criminal immigrants. They raided a corporate business and several public schools first to gain the attention of the media, then against the governor’s wishes, dispatched the National Guard. We cannot be dumb enough to walk into an obvious trap set by the dumbest president in the history of our nation.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 1 week ago

Emotions have taken over their thinking process and are just lashing out. Sad how often they are like that

[-] Placebonickname@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Would like to thank the protesters for voicing their opinions without fear…or helmets

[-] Montreal_Metro@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago

But Americans have soooo many guns.

[-] SuspiciousCatThing@pawb.social 5 points 1 week ago

Everyone is afraid to fire the first shot.

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You can't go shooting at people that also have guns, they might shoot back!

[-] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago

The mass machine gunnings will begin soon

[-] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Proud ICE Boys finally get to use their larping toys in the real world.

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