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Checkmate, libs (sh.itjust.works)

Fox News caption: BY WINNING, DEMOCRATS ARE ACTUALLY LOSING

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[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago
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[-] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Actually, I can't argue this. It's true, just probably not in the way Fox intended (I have no idea what they intended.)

Consider that if Mamdani holds up his promises, the old guard Democrats are going to look like the pathetic diet-Republicans that they are and always have been. If his electoral win sparks a wave farther left across the country, and the Overton Window shifts with it, then any Democrats that don't adjust with the times will be outshined by more progressive candidates.

In that way, a "Democrat" win can result in many Democrats losing. But that's a good thing, in my opinion.

[-] Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

This is exactly what the idealist types who chirp on about third parties and revolutions should actually want to see.

A slow invasion and replacement of old gaurd DNC members with new life.

Very unfortunately, its very difficult to deliver on the type of instant change people want to see on the federal level given the need for 3 brnaches of government and a super majority in the senate, but at bare minimum I hope this makes people who just don't pay attention to politics realize that it turns out there isn't actually a reason things can't be better, and it turns out you can actually just tax rich people a little bit more to see a huuuuuge benefit to your everyday life.

[-] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

I think about how we read history books and it's all simple "X happened, then Y happened," even if the events are years apart. It makes it feel like change happens quickly, because we're taught about it in retrospect.

It's frustrating how so many people today seem to think, "Well, a revolution hasn't happened, so I guess it never will." Are we that accustomed to immediate gratification that we can't recognize that such large shifts take time? I see things slowly unfold and think, "How awesome that we're moving in this direction!" But there are inevitably multiple downers complaining that it's not happening fast enough.

[-] Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

You realize that revolution in my sentence was referring to a lot of people dying and your quality of life going to shit for years, potentially even decades right?

Its by no means a desirable concept to anyone with empathy or brains. You may not even come out on the winning side. In fact, the way it looks now the good people would lose almost immediately.

Are we that accustomed to immediate gratification that we can’t recognize that such large shifts take time? I see things slowly unfold and think, “How awesome that we’re moving in this direction!” But there are inevitably multiple downers complaining that it’s not happening fast enough.

Perhaps though, I am misunderstanding your comment (very possible) and you're talking about the non violent, productive type of change that I was also referring to?

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[-] gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com 0 points 5 months ago

this is why you need preferential voting, if the party that wins can see they won but on the 2nd, 3rd etc preference they can look at the party platforms that were preferred and then know where they need to go in the future to steer their platform and gain more first preferences

That is how it works here in Australia

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[-] n0respect@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Speaking personally, I am happy to see this change. As a longtime supporter of alternative voting systems, I am glad to see the 'new guard' agree and take steps toward it. I even trust them to do it honorably [generally]. I love that the new guard is more economic and future focused. Its great that we see some break from the neoliberal norm.

Of course instant gratification would be nice. But I'm not complaining. And -personally- I haven't seen others complain it's too slow and booooo im a misanthrope.

I think it's better to phrase these opinions as questions, not accusations. Like: "3rd party revolutionary types: what do you think of these? Do you like them?". I guarantee you can't put us all in a box.

[-] Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

I think it’s better to phrase these opinions as questions, not accusations. Like: “3rd party revolutionary types: what do you think of these? Do you like them?”.

I'm not sure it would help, because they fundamentally still have a very harmful idea that encourages voter apathy and hurts people.

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Overton Window

I like the concept of the Overton Window (thanks for teaching it to me). However, I don't think anything quite fits in any predictable threshold of acceptable ideas right now. Trump is such a black swan, it's almost like we're defining the window in real time... If things weren't so horrible, it would be an exciting time to be alive.

[-] tempest@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago

I think the fact that people can easily find similarities to Trump's bullshit in recently recorded history proves that he is not a black swan at all. Just run of the mill populist bullshit wrapped up in a fat orange package.

The fact that Americans thought " it could never happen here" is part of the problem.

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[-] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 5 months ago

Well yeah, now they can immediately blame the coming economic collapse on those dirty libs because they're the ones in control now!!!!

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[-] ccunning@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago

tbh this is not surprising coming from the crowd that thinks turning the United States into a Shithole Country is actually Making it Great Again

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[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago

The sad thing is, if you're going off any economic indicator that affects the poor and working class, they're not entirely wrong.

It's called the Ratchet Effect.

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