The 64GB kit I purchased Aug 2024 for $195 is now listing for $540
Im still running off DDR3
Lived in the Silicon Valley in the 1990's, when the price of RAM exploded with the web, armed robberies of manufacturing plants and warehouses for RAM became a thing for a few years.
Insert <Aw shit, here we go again . meme>
hmm I got 2 8bg ddr4 sticks, anyone wanna make an offer?
This bubble cannot burst soon enough
(I know it's not the point, but a reminder that data center climate impact, including heat, is nowhere near flight, agricultural waste, or construction. Hate it for its own reasons, not for fake ones.)
Yeah, the main problems right now, seem to be electricity consumption, causing price hikes in surrounding areas.
Hi I can explain the difference. The three other things you listed are necessary for a multitude of reasons. The current boom in data centers is for a solution in search of a problem wasting shit for no gain to humanity as a whole.
Hope that helps :3
Also the scariest part of this datacenter inflation is how much of these new data centers are going to be abandoned within the next 5 years when the AI bubble pops and suddenly the companies spending like crazy on datacenter growth need to cut back. There'll be lots of big empty buildings outside of small towns costing taxpayers a ton of money, much like when any big box store closes up shop. You can either spend a ton of money tearing it down, a ton of money rebuilding it into something useful, a ton of money attracting another business which may or may not front the cost for remodeling the space or a ton of money maintaining the empty property so it doesn't fall over and become even more of a blight. There's no winning for these small municipalities that just get used and abused by large businesses
@Trainguyrom @scintilla I realy dont understund the AI doom theory.. Theres alot of shitty projects going nowhere? Sure. Theres a buble? Likely. But AI have value and is not going anywhere
Oh yeah machine learning as a technology will survive, and eventually it will be implemented where it can do what it's really good at, but right now it's being shoved into everything to do things it isn't good at, so you end up with a super expensive to run, energy inefficient tool that runs worse than with traditional algorithms that can be run client side or on a single much cheaper server (I'm oversimplifying the server architecture for brevity)
Think customer service chatbots on ever car dealership's website. Traditionally these were extremely simplistic and usually just had canned responses based on keywords in the customer's written message and would quickly cascade the customer to a real customer service rep as soon as things got out of scope. Now with LLMs companies are running those as the customer service chatbots and the LLM can do anything from agreeing to sell a new car for a dollar to providing scam or invalid contact info to referring the customer to a competitor. There's no knowing what the AI will do because it's non-deterministic and you don't want that in customer service!
Right now we're in the bubble phase where every single company is finding some way to shoehorn AI into its business model so they can brag about it. Fucking Logitech added a remappable AI button that brings up a ChatGPT interface and just spends Logitech's money on tokens with ChatGPT. That's pure bubble behavior. Once the bubble pops we won't have literally every single time you open a car dealership page spending an LLM token or 5, you won't have Amazon running AI chatbots on every product page just for asking about that product, you won't have every website just giving away free unrestricted access to LLMs. That's what I'm talking about.
AI demand will drop when the bubble pops, and while it will be higher than it was 8 years ago, everyone is going to be very skeptical of anything AI, just like folks are still skeptical of mortgage backed securities over 15 years later, or just like people are skeptical of commerical websites without a clear method of financing 25 years after the dotcom bubble. People remember these things and will take a while to warm up to the idea again
Yeah, but the average Lemme/Redditor is not going to waste an opportunity to pretend caring, pointing his/her finger and accumulate fake internet points.
I do feel obligated to at least expose folks to numeracy, even if they won't listen. Hope it's not giving them a repeated trauma somehow.
RAM is not really expensive. You get enough RAM for most tasks the use of which you can understand, as a fraction of the normal amount for any machine.
You can load a can't stress how good planetary map into RAM wholly, without paging it.
Many text editors today just load the whole file into RAM.
That there's much demand from some other side - oh yes.
BTW, I just got a thought that this might be aimed at hurting China and East Asia in general, when the bubble pops, in the west it'll be just investors losing what they deserve to lose, but in East Asia it'll be actual production rebuilt for the bubble dying in pains.
What? You might want to proof read that. The only thing I got from your text is that text editors load an entire file into memory, which has been the case for decades unless you go with a special purpose editor.
The only thing I got from your text is that text editors load an entire file into memory, which has been the case for decades unless you go with a special purpose editor.
Holy crap, and these people think they have right to talk about computers.
You can have a 12G text file, logs, suppose, you are going to load the entire file into memory? And you think it's normal?
You might want to proof read that.
I think you might want to put more effort into reading. This seems to be your weak side.
You really should put more effort into proofreading.
I can't load a stress how bad your proofreading is. Don't blame that on others.
So in how many languages do you write, and in which of them do you write better than I sometimes do in English? Other than your first one.
No, buddy. English is also not my first language and you write like shit. You're also an asshole about it, have a victim complex and are a hypocrite. You're just an all around shitty human being.
You’re just an all around shitty human being.
Says some anonymous moron.
So you bring out "this is my second language" after telling someone else "you might want to put more effort into reading". No, that does not fly. You put "sorry, English is my second language" first. Lashing out like that is not a good look.
But it's funny
You can have a 12G text file, logs, suppose, you are going to load the entire file into memory?
That's actually done via journalctl today, most of the time. Which extracts the logs out from a database instead of a text file. It has some useful features, such as slicing a specific time interval from the logs.
Yes, that's very nice when you are already storing that something in a database. I said "suppose".
I think that in the long run, the RAM shortage will turn into a glut of much faster and larger DDR5 RAM sticks. Provided if you can wait for the transition to AM6, an AM5 endgame system will have pretty good RAM.
I swear I bought some RAM just at the start of October for reasonable prices. Did it change so quickly?
Short answer: yes.
Long answer: yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssss.
As someone buying load of secondhand tech, you don't need the latest and greatest
Yeah but even second hand drives are stupid-priced today. No, I dont want to buy your 2014 1TB drive for 25€ + shipping.
I can't wait for this to pop, I mean if it does in a way that produces selloffs.
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