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submitted 1 week ago by doenerpate@feddit.org to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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[-] snooggums@piefed.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"Separate conversations are splintering discourse, we should all just shout over each other in one massive wall of text!"

The separate communities across instances is a benefit of federation just like separate posts are a benefit over a single thread for everythjngs. Yes, features that allow them to be combined for those that want that way of interacting is great, but we don't need a single news community between all instances when there are can be massive differences between instances.

[-] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 1 points 1 week ago

Exactly. This is a non issue and actually a feature.

[-] doenerpate@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago

you’re right, definitely something I hadn’t really thought about. I just don’t get the sense that some communities are intentionally spread across different instances. Like there are two Plex communities on two separate instances that basically talk about the same stuff. I guess it’s just part of getting used to things, and it throws me off a bit since I’m still new to the fediverse.

[-] Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip 1 points 1 week ago

Proposed solution 3: Communities following communities

The ability for communities to "subscribe" to other communities is an idea that comes from this Github comment. This is, in my opinion, the best proposed solution by far. Community a can follow community b, making posts from b also appear on a.

What this means is that community moderators can choose to have posts from other communities to show up on theirs. That means if all the pancake communities are following each other, I can post on pancake@a.com and it would show up on the other pancake communities as well, and the comments would simply be grouped into just one post!

The main proposed solution doesn't force merging on anyone. Mods can decide whether or not they want content from other communities to show up in their space. No two news instances have to merge if they serve different audiences.

It isn't explicitly called out in the proposal but I could easily see there being an option for mods to unlink individual posts from other communities if they get too spicy.

[-] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 2 points 1 week ago

This is a non issue. Different communities and instances have different rules, norms, cultures etc. There's no need to smash everyone together in a monoculture.

[-] Rekall_Incorporated@piefed.social 0 points 1 week ago

This is solved by Piefed.

[-] doenerpate@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago

how exactly? isn’t piefed "just" another instance in the fediverse?

[-] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago

Piefed merges comments sections on cross posts.

[-] doenerpate@feddit.org 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

do you know any client that supports this?

edit: found it piefed.social/post/1258559

[-] Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip 1 points 1 week ago

Wait, so am I reading correctly from the wiki page the only app that supports merging crosspost comments is Interstellar, which also doesn't support crossposting?

[-] nimpnin@sopuli.xyz -2 points 1 week ago

IMO, a more opionate search would fix this. Just recommend the most active community and show the others in gray.

[-] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 week ago

No thanks. This is a dark pattern towards centralization. Just go back to reddit.

[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org 0 points 1 week ago

That kills the less active ones and achieves the opposite of what Lemmy wants to do.

[-] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 0 points 1 week ago

what's a higher priority: be usable enough to attract users from other platforms or be so decentralised you can't tell which community to post in?

[-] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 week ago

False dichotomy. Lemmy is already usable, and the decentralization is not that high that you can't tell where to post. But if you were posting a more proper form of the question that is not trolling, maintaining a decent level of decentralization is higher priority, as it is one of the foundationally selling attributes of the Fediverse. You can add connecting tissues and UX improvements over that, but if you abandon that you are not too different from Mozilla, and become not too different from the anti-social networks this was born to serve as an alternative to.

[-] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 0 points 1 week ago

False dichotomy. Lemmy is already usable

By whose standard?

If Lemmy is usable why is it dying?

[-] Skavau@piefed.social 0 points 1 week ago

It's slowly declining. I don't think it has anything to do with usability, or lack of - but simply that these platforms usually get boosted by Reddit doing a scandal rather than anything else.

[-] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone -1 points 1 week ago

simply that these platforms usually get boosted by Reddit doing a scandal

Then the question is, why is it when users come from reddit they don't hang around? they don't tell their friends, hey this is a place that's awesome!

Every bit of decentralised user friction is friction that centralised platforms don't have

I'm very happy piefed is tackling some of these bits of friction but more is needed.

[-] Skavau@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Then the question is, why is it when users come from reddit they don’t hang around? they don’t tell their friends, hey this is a place that’s awesome!

Some do. I would argue that most social media websites sign-ups become dormant accounts very quickly. Whether its Reddit, a large Discord server, a reddit alternative etc. The retainment rate of most social media sites is and has always been quite bad. People are fickle, or not as interested as they thought, or just sign up to have a better look. I don't think there's anything special about Lemmy or Piefed here, and advertising it isn't exactly easy nor even welcome.

Does Lemmy/Piefed have the best design? No. Is it uniquely bad? Not at all. I think Reddits is pretty poor in areas, but that doesn't seem to be an encumbrance to it.