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[-] jerome@lemmy.world 61 points 2 years ago

They should leave Ukraine then.

[-] paddirn@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

Yeah, but then one guy wouldn't have as much power and control as he had before. Why doesn't anyone ever consider the people on top?

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 50 points 2 years ago

Speed running demographic collapse. Things weren't good before this, and they'll be a ton worse now.

[-] trafficnab@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago

At this point Putin must know he's leaving the Kremlin in a box one way or another, that's a problem for the guy who has to clean up his mess

[-] HuddaBudda@kbin.social 37 points 2 years ago

In a desperate bid to replenish its manpower, Moscow is sending injured (Sometimes amputated) soldiers back into battle.

Ouch. Everyone but Putin felt that one.

The latest figures posted by the Ministry of Defence do not include the Wagner Group nor their prisoner battalions that fought in Bakhmut.

Hundreds of thousands of mercenaries and prisoners died in that meat grind. If they did include them, they'd have to put the casualty number much higher.

Oh, and they are now kidnapping civilian immigrant workers, in an effort to bolster their numbers. They will not count either.

[-] ours@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

That's some Warhammer 40k stuff right there.

In future Russia, there is only war. Under the watchful eye of the carion emperor Putin.

[-] HuddaBudda@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

I think one of the scariest things about Warhammer 40k, is we have the mindset, just not the technology.

[-] 46_and_2@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago

https://twitter.com/defencehq/status/1715968466501472576?s=61&t=mrc6rlMU5ame1QTCGpMbCg

Article cites UK Ministry of Defence wrong, it's actually total of 240,000 to 290,000 killed + permamently or temporarily wounded. Still staggering figures, though.

[-] Joris@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Those numbers don't include Wagners. But i doubt 200.000 of them died.

[-] Cockmaster6000@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 years ago

War? No, you mean Special Military Operation /s

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Edit: apologies - this actually isn’t a very good comparison. The chart I linked is actually just deaths, not total casualties.

According to this wiki page, the MoD’s numbers would put Russia’s military casualties alone roughly on par with total military and civilian ~~casualties~~ deaths on all sides from the US War on Terror (which lasted about two decades, compared to about 20 months for this newest active phase of the Ukrainian War).

That’s… impressive. And extremely unsustainable.

(Note: not here to litigate the war on terror or whatever you want to call it. This is simply a comparison point.)

[-] Hubi@feddit.de 23 points 2 years ago

It's also roughly 5.5 % of the total Soviet military losses during WW2. Pretty insane to think about all these lives being wasted to steal a stretch of land.

[-] remotelove@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 years ago

Russia has the man power, but their command structure and tactics suck ass. Their soldiers have little freedom to adjust when and where they attack and it shows. If Russian troops on the ground were given an objective, and not direction orders directly from generals, we might see a much worse outcome for Ukraine.

If you look at the recent videos from Avdiivka, destroyed Russian armor is piling up in the same spots. There is no adjustment and there is no learning from mistakes, just mass being thrown at a spot where their leadership wants to get political wins.

These are the same tactics from WW2 and they are resulting in the same scale of losses, comparatively. Leadership doesn't think of their soldiers as people and it's gross. If anything, this war is not just an attack on Ukraine, but it's genocide being committed on Russians by the Russian government.

[-] Land_Strider@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

I'm not intending to say any war crime, especially committed towards civilian victims, which any army at war has and will keep committing with varying scales, can be acceptable, but consider the average Russian soldier's mental health at this point in this war.

Now that the saner, civilian population who lived their lives in comparable civic environments and acted mostly accordingly are conscripted into a known meat grinder, being dogged on higher-ups every day and waiting to be thrown into the next meat grinder in a few months at maximum, how can they keep their sanity?

This is not just one man's doing, though. Such sinister governing organizations need a lot of similarly-thinking inhuman piece of shits to get together to have such influence on millions of lives and keep their heads, let alone positions of power. This includes all powers of legislation and justice departments, financial bodies, media, local instigators and more. The total number of these people would still amount to a fraction of the normally-peacefully-living population affected, but their power to manipulate the outspoken minds the latter is to big to overcome by the latter population that usually minds its own business and is naturally disorganized.

Most governments these are still run by criminal syndicates, or feudal lords that play tag-team with their seemingly-competitors, that give the population a facade of voting them in willingly. Of course except for a few select people that actually worked mostly in favour of the general population in most democracies' histories. Not even gonna talk about failed "democracies'" like Russia or Turkey.

So yeah, I agree that this war is Russian government committing genocide on Russian people. Average Ukrainian civilians or soldiers at least know that the people of the world sympathize with them when they are at risk of losing everything. Average conscripted Russian is all alone in the mud and blood. Overall a war without any silver lining for either party, wagen on undeserving people of Ukraine and waged with unwilling people of Russia.

[-] homoludens@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago

Wikipedia states 4.5 million dead as a result of the "War on Terror".

[-] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Imagine being so goddamn emotional that you knowingly commit a country of what, 140 million I think, to demographic suicide. Blyat is handing the West another century of dominance.

[-] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Ahhhh but they're going to use their money and what's left of their men to confuse the west into picking bad leaders so really who's winning World War 2.5 now

[-] theodewere@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

it's like they're trying to set a record for the number of their own people they can watch get ground up into mud.. Russians must be fabulous people..

[-] at_an_angle@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago

I read articles like this, and it makes me feel slightly bad about the Russian deaths.... then I remember the war crimes, and it all disappeared.

[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Set? You mean break the record from WW2? (About 9,000,000 military deaths)

[-] theodewere@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

oh well good, i guess they can just keep sending Russians to die and nobody will notice.. all the Russians who noticed have been murdered by Putin..

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