cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/10508286
(Stats that show boosting ICE funding is a bipartisan policy)
Who cares why people are protesting, as long as they are it's good?
I never get the "we were doing it first" toxicity. Why should it matter why the newcomers were ignorant if they want to join the cause? Why create new enemies just to protect your "pure" reasons? That kind of separationism is exactly what keeps the ones you should focus on in power, and they want it that way. A divided resistance will fail.
Because the majority of “leftists” are exclusively online and their entire lives revolve around internet points derived from having the best and purest ideologies
Where do you think the majority of "rightists", "libertarians", and "liberals" are spending their time nowadays? The mall? Everybody is terminally online, apparently including you.
True but my political existence actually isn’t and I do stuff irl
Too many people just preach dramatic purity online and nothing else
yeah. for a lot of the attitudes i see on lemmy about how politics should work i'm like… where are you? i'm out in these streets and i don't see you. a lot of what people are calling for don't work until we have mass support and to have mass support we need people outside.
And as such, too, their idea of what leftism outside their zones becomes distorted by the propaganda mechanisms that benefit primarily their enemies
I agree with your point, however it's also frustrating how obvious it was that all the post-9/11 powers we gave the government would be abused.
The PATRIOT Act was a fucking power grab, and obviously was in place in case a crisis came into play. No way something that couldn't be read in that short a time before approval was written that fast.
Exactly
Its the cop-in-your-brain, which is of course all of the propaganda of the fascists. This is exactly what they want, and their choice rhetoric has worked its way into the leftist spaces to an extent
Yeah. As I've seen someone else put it, "we're glad you're here" is far better than "what took you so long"
Until they go back to brunch after electing Gavin Newsom.
if somehow we make it all the way to a free and fair 2028 primary and gavin newsome is the nominee i will be a form of pissed you've never witnessed before. that dude is such a fuckin' unhelpful phonie. out here acting like Abigail Spanberger won Virginia because Virginians wanted neoliberalism. NO! Virginians already hated her when they voted for her, they only voted for her because the options offered were: ICE stays the same, or ICE gets way more violent. USW, UAW, and UMWA all refused to endorse her. Abigail Spanberger won despite not being liked, not because she was liked. but the DNC has refused to learn their lessons and eat their veggies for 18 years now. they took every losing lesson from Obama and jettisoned every winning lesson. ultimately, it comes down to that they are part of the conservative grift machine, but their grift is more subtle. the republican grift is to froth up anger and then demand money to go act on that anger. the democrat grift is to make money off losing.
it makes me so mad how many democrats are looking at 2025 election results and going "see! we don't have to be more progressive. we just have to not be donald trump" and it's like… goddammit, that's been loser behavior since 2008 when the tea party tranformed the republican party.
so anyway.
in summation.
fuck the liberal excellence brunch crowd. we won't get out of this thinking the crisis is over unless we get true systemic change, not just small trinkets
Maybe I'm just mostly in lefty circles, but who the fuck wasn't mad until Renee Goode and Alex Pretti? I've been seeing constant rage against ice for a couple of years now atleast.
No, you're right, plenty were mad before too. There seems to be a new push lately on trying to make this a race issue to divide the left. I've seen a major uptick in this framing lately.
If someone favors ICE because it's a "race issue" they were never on our side to begin with.
You're right about that! But that's not what I meant.
What I mean is there's a seemingly organized effort to create infighting between those against ICE by attempting to create issues and sow discord. It distracts from the real conversation at hand. It's a common technique to fracture unity on an issue.
Completely agree, but I think with Goode and Pretti it gave our team a good hand to play. Like, "hey, all you All Lives Matter people. Where ya at?" and with Pretti specifically, it's like "Hey, all you 2A folk. Where the fuck ya at?"
I've been outraged and outspoken since the beginning, but these two incidents are really heavy hitting cards to play in order to expose hypocritical fascists. Not that it actually matters because these people are brainwashed mental gymists. But I like to think it at least puts cracks in their foundation. It's caused some amount of infighting, so that's a step in the right direction.
white middle class people, and then other middle class people. Do you not know anyone in their 40s or older with a family?
Tbf I was in grade school in 2003 so it's a bit much to expect me to have been on the "abolish the DHS" train for that long 😆
At the same time, for a lot of us that age it was a fundamental step into understanding "Oh. So our adults are fucking idiots" because we had so many allegedly smart people telling us "well. The PATRIOT Act can't be that bad and these are changing times. We need to be able to protect ourselves."
It wasn't until I went to college that I got good at expressing how specifically something that happened when I was in elementary school was a fundamental affront to my autonomy as a human being, and why that was a threat to everyone everywhere all the time. But it was still a seed that grew within me that we are fundamentally not seen by our government as contributors but as resources
"an entire year of people being ILLEGALLY deported or disappeared" true, state violence against anyone is only okay when it's done legally, with due process and for the good of the national people's
I always held that the creation of the entire DHS was a slight overreaction to like 20 guys armed with box cutters..
It really was muddled through while Iraq was being drummed up, too. I remember working a protest in 2003 and there being this talk about DHS implementing fascism. At the time I felt the impending war was more important topic, not quite realizing how interconnected it all was.
It's good that you recognize how interconnected everything is. That's an important piece of the puzzle. These days it's that all the oligarchs are pedophiles, engaged in kidnapping immigrant children, and creating crises to justify those kidnappings. Everything is at the same time a distraction from everything else intended to keep you from uniting on what specifically should be protested, and also a genuine component of the overall mechanism by which we're all tortured
Whats that story about?
9/11
At least we took care of that rogue kingdom 17 of the highjackers came from who planned and funded the whole thing.
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the libs dont want to hear they may have been abused by their party.
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