I'm glad nobody is mentioning WhatsApp as an alternative. They released usernames a few months ago, all messages are end-to-end encrypted, will add voice and video calls to WhatsApp Web, many people and companies have an account there already... It would be an easy migration, but awful for privacy. Thankfully, the most similar suggestions I found were Telegram and Signal.
What's app claims E2EE but it's not really they store everything on their servers that any one of their staff can access at any point
That is false.
it’s absolutely true actually… whatsapp are the key holders and there was a leak a few weeks ago that showed meta staff can access anyone’s messages: they just need to raise a ticket and they get access to an app that allows them to pull up any user they like
this is always the case unless you’re the keyholder. any app where you can “forgot password” and get your data back you aren’t the key-holder (though recovery phrases are legitimate), or login simply via phone number and an SMS MFA or similar
it’s also true for apple stuff - despite being similarly encrypted - but they’ve at least on the surface displayed a willingness to protect user data from external threats
Tangential but figure eyes are probably on here:
Any good guides or discussions for setting up and running Matrix in a VPS? Been thinking on and off I should do that for a few months now (and lack of account migration means I either start with my own domain or forever use a generic).
Matrix ansible deployment script
I'm not going to be able to get anyone else to use an alternative, so what's it matter?
I mean back when Skype was still in use my Friends convinced me to use dc (and I hated it)
How many of these have moderation issues? Like, unwanted content uploads and stuff. How many expose you to accidentally hosting illicit content?
That's their "safety" category in his rankings. They talk about moderation tools and risks like bad actors posting illicit content quite a bit, actually.
Wow, so signal ranks second worst in “safety” with a 2. While discord has a 4.
So it’s worse than discord at dealing with unwanted CSAM uploads? What a wild ranking system this guy has.
Can Stoat be used as an alternative?
As an EU co, how will they navigate age verification
EU doesn't require age verification (yet). It's exclusively British thing for now, and we fight hard to keep it this way
Oh, good, ty. I just made an account last night and will check it out to see if it fits my needs, but this was nagging in the back of my head as others have just decided to bend the knee regardless of jurisdiction.
just decided to bend the knee regardless of jurisdiction.
yeah, I understand why companies do this tho
from their side it is cheaper to just put the same measures and requirements for every legislation and in discord's case this is the perfect opportunity to get more data from their users
Discord Alternatives: Discord
what the hell?
You missed the point. They're using it as a baseline (literally their word), a basis for comparison, a control (in the sense of experiment) if you will, before leaping off into the alternatives.
I missed what point now?
The point of them putting Discord itself into their page of Discord alternatives. It's not there as an alternative. It's there for comparison purposes.
Discord is actually discord, not an alternative to discord
It's an alternative to an alternative to Discord. Which makes it an alternative.
did he not try stoat? he just put a bunch of question marks there.
I'd have thought if that was the case it'd be left out of the rankings.
I did. It isn't a viable selfhosted alternative atm unless you want to do actual dev work
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