At this point we're beating a dead horseradish. Pretty much every study says the less meat, the healthier
Except it's not meat itself, but contaminants in the meat.
"It's not the cigarette I smoke, it's all the bad chemicals in the cigarette" Big brain time over here
Vegans had a 40% higher risk of bowel cancer when compared with meat eaters.
Regarding vegetarians and cancer yes, but most studies show that a moderate intake of meat is beneficial to your OVERALL health. And this study does NOT show that less meat the better.
Also a lot of studies including this one, show that some nutrients are hard to obtain as a vegan, so you need supplements to stay healthy. Especially if you are Vegan.
I don't think you read the article, but just had a knee jerk reaction to the headline.
Interesting how they call out vitamin B and calcium. Ovo/lactose vegetarians have just as much dairy as meat eaters and probably eat even more calcium-rich foods like kale and other greens. Most dairy substitutes are calcium fortified as well.
Yes the calcium part is outright weird? Regarding B vitamin I think it's some specific B vitamins like B12, definitely not all of them.
I think there may have been some journalistic misunderstanding, because it is mentioned in context with Vegans, while the article also seems to lump the 2 together at times. Which is a problem IMO, because there's a huge difference between Vegetarian that drink milk and eat fish and eggs, and a Vegan that eat zero animal products.
I agree with everything you said, except for one point. Vegetarians by definition do not eat fish, pescatarian is likely the word you are looking for as they eat everything you listed with the inclusion of fish.
Ah ok I thought fish was included, because I've known some who call themselves vegetarians who eat fish.
It's a common misunderstanding, not exactly sure where it stems from. When I was a vegetarian many years ago it wouldn't be uncommon for people to offer me fish.
Maybe it comes from the distinction between meat and fish that stems from fasting in Catholicism.
Vegetarians don't drink milk or eat fish and eggs
You’re correct that vegetarians don’t eat fish. People who eat fish but no other meats are called “pescatarians”, as someone mentioned earlier.
However, “vegetarian” refers to people with diets of mostly plants and sometimes animal byproducts that don’t require killing the animal (like milk and eggs).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism
The specific subset of vegetarians who don’t eat or use any animal byproducts are called “vegans”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veganism
It can be confusing because there’s sort of a tree of consumption/diets and there are a lot of terms, and some of the terms sound similar. Hope this helps.
You've confused the term vegetarian with vegan. Vegetarians just don't eat meat and fish, vegans don't eat any animal products (no milk, eggs, or honey)
Vegans follow a vegetarian diet, but it's far from only being about diet. Lacto-ovo-vegetarians call themselves vegetarians because they are in denial about their own carnism
It sounds like you think the only options are veganism (which you call vegetarianism) or carnism
Vegetarianism is a diet, veganism is a philosophy. Lacto-ovo-vegetarianism is a self-soothing delusion.
No, they both describe diets. One refrains from eating meat, the other refrains from eating all animal products
https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism
Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Vegetarian diets and vegan diets aren't the same
Most so-called "vegetarians" are nothing of the sort. Most actual vegetarians are vegans. Lacto-ovo-vegetarianism is a self-soothing delusion.
By definition, if they don't eat meat, they're vegetarian. I get that you believe it moral hypocrisy to eat cheese and eggs if vegetarian but they are still, by definition, vegetarian
Sorry I didn't know definitions were ordained by God
Which studies? A quick search doesn't seem to confirm that at all. From checking some of those studies, there seems to be a weak/low certainty correlation of lower meat consumption with lower cancer risks, a correlation (with geographical differences) of meat consumption with being overweight, but also other factors like smoking and low physical activity which really call into question whether other studies took that into account, and also a correlation between higher meat consumption and lower risk for depression (which I would also call into question given meat consumption's correlation with high socioeconomic status).
All I can get from those metastudies is a big nothing burger of "maybe"'s in either direction.
And how many of the studies did you actually read?
My guess it's zero
Brace yourselves for all the meat eaters suddenly getting extremely defensive...
A point missing from the headline:
While being vegetarian appeared to be protective overall, the scientists also found that those who follow a vegetarian diet had nearly double the risk of the most common type of cancer of the oesophagus, known as squamous cell carcinoma, compared with meat eaters. This may be due to vegetarians being deficient in key nutrients such as B vitamins, the team suggested.
So you can just choose what kind of cancer you want by altering your diet.
I feel like we're just gonna end up back where we always do, with moderation being the best policy. Don't eat too much of any one thing but eat some of everything.
I mean it says overall protective, so no, not just equal choice. Also seems quite easy to fix if it is only due to lack of B vitamins.
Okay, but who wants to live a long life these days? Do you have any idea how many crises I would have to go through just for choosing a healthy lifestyle? No, gentlemen, I will not give up carbonara in exchange for more years of life.
If you're only consuming meat in carbonara you're pretty much vegan to me.
You don't know how much carbonara I can eat.
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