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[-] jtrek@startrek.website 13 points 2 months ago

People don't really care about anything other than convenience. Twitter could be grinding up puppies live on camera and most people would just shrug and be like "well the good memes are here".

Personally I think that's downstream from how we're all too polite about shit like this. We just smile and change the topic instead of doing the intensely uncomfortable "You really shouldn't use twitter" conversation. But also we're all too... childish, I guess, because most people if someone says that will not respond with "You make a good point and I will change in accordance," but rather with "Fuck you for saying things that make me feel bad. You suck. I'm not listening to anything you say."

So I guess we're fucked because people are immature, fragile, little shits.

[-] pmk@piefed.ca 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I think there is a fatigue. Morally, I can't justify eating animal products, but I do eat cheese and drink milk. I should take the bus instead of driving, but sometimes I use my car out of convenience. Chocolate means exploiting workers in some country. Etc. People see the world burning and feel powerless.

[-] jtrek@startrek.website 3 points 2 months ago

Yeah, that could be some of it. We can't all be perfect all the time. It's impossible.

I'd appreciate more honest appraisals, though. "I know Twitter is garbage run by a Nazi, but I got linked to it and scrolled a bit" is far better than "well other people are worse so who cares". There's this childish whataboutism that a lot of people bring out to justify their poor behavior.

[-] pmk@piefed.ca 1 points 2 months ago

I agree, honesty is a good first step. So, given all this, should we focus on simply being the more attractive option? Or a combination of principles and convenience? If the good option is cheaper or more convenient, we wouldn't strictly need principles and moral arguments. I'm just thinking of strategy here, it can feel good to be a righteous preacher, but what actually gets us the results we want?

[-] jtrek@startrek.website 1 points 2 months ago

I don't know. A coworker years ago said to me "you have to make what you want people to do the easy thing", and I think he was right. But someone still has to do work. Back then, it was me changing the deploy script to automatically run tests and open the report so people had to go out of their way to skip all that.

I'm not sure what that looks like for the fediverse. Linking them directly? Some sort of "sign up with Google" SSO mechanism? Just make the account for your friend and give it to them?

Ideally we'd go up one level and address why people are so mentally depleted they can't handle a sign up form.

[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It isn't normal for human beings to modify their behavior because someone scolded them about it in a rational way, especially when popular approval is still on the side of doing what they are doing, but that doesn't mean there is nothing that moves the needle on people changing their behavior. You need positive reinforcement when they do something else instead, and stuff like that.

[-] shrek_is_love@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago

if the problem is that major platforms are centralized, opaque, and controlled by corporations, why would the solution be yet another centralized platform controlled by a corporation?

Because people are brainwashed into only trusting billionaires, corporations, brand names, and consumer packaged goods to solve all our problems.

[-] schwim@piefed.zip 2 points 2 months ago

In this case, I think it's target user isn't looking to get out from under the billionaires and corpos, just the American billionaires and corpos. That's who eyou is designed to appeal to.

The tiny number of people who are anti billionaire and corpos-run social media regardless of nationality already have our very tiny corner carved out.

[-] kubofhromoslav@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

A classical sign of an early worldcentric worldview that is more about competition than about collaboration. A level "orange" in Integral theory. But humankind is continuing its development to late worldcentric worldview "green" level and more. And Fediverse is helping with that!

[-] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Alternatives are great if only people were using them.

[-] doriandiaconuro@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

I have a hard time understanding why people are so hard headed on not leaving

[-] Pelicanen@fedia.io 1 points 2 months ago

The network effect is one reason, if users are responsible for the content then there will be a shortage of content until enough users join.

Beyond that, humans are social creatures and want to fit in. If your community mainly hangs out on one platform, people will want to be a part of that platform. What helps is if people with a large enough following or entire communities make the decision to change platform, but that can be tricky.

[-] daychilde@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

The problem is building the network. Nobody uses it because nobody uses it and nobody will use it until everybody uses it.

That has always been and will always be the primary problem. You can solve all of the other problems and it won't matter.

this post was submitted on 22 Mar 2026
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