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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by mrmanager@lemmy.today to c/technology@lemmy.world

I think we need all support we can get to fight Google on this, so I welcome Brave here actually.

Use this link to avoid going to Twitter:

https://nitter.kavin.rocks/BrendanEich/status/1684561924191842304

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[-] dill@lemmy.one 382 points 1 year ago
[-] Silinde@lemmy.world 115 points 1 year ago

I personally switched back to Firefox after 13 years earlier this year and was surprised just how easy it was. All my main extensions exist on Firefox and it gave me an opportunity to remove some extension bloat at the same time. Highly recommend.

[-] mrmanager@lemmy.today 76 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Try container tabs!

They have separate sessions so you can be logged in to the same site on multiple accounts. This is extreamly useful for stuff like being logged in to github using work account and company account or other sites where you just need many accounts. Aws is another good example.

There is also temporary containers that leave no trace at all.

[-] thehatfox@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

Containers are one of the best features Firefox has gained in recent years. They make managing multiple website accounts so much easier than trying to use multiple browsers or browser profiles. They are also useful for developers in lots of ways.

I don’t know why Mozilla doesn’t promote Containers more, they can’t even be used out of the box because they have to be enabled with an extension. It’s a far better feature than many of the other recent gimmicks like time limited colour schemes.

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[-] CriticalMiss@lemmy.world 128 points 1 year ago

https://nitter.net/BrendanEich/status/1684561924191842304

Nitter link.

Also, the Chromium forks need to get onboard. I think Opera doesn't care about ads either so it will likely go against it but Microsoft will definitely add it to Edge.

Use Firefox :)

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I guess nitter needs to be renamed to...nix?

[-] eric5949@lemmy.cloudaf.site 19 points 1 year ago

NixOS enters the chat.

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[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 116 points 1 year ago

Their business model is replacing ads with ads they get paid for. Obviously they aren't going to like Google making that harder.

[-] abraham_linksys@sh.itjust.works 42 points 1 year ago

Brendan Eich is an asshole deep in the Conspiracy Victim Complex too. I like Brave search as an alternative to Google but I'm still using Firefox

[-] sci@feddit.nl 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

He also had to leave Mozilla in 2014 due to opposition to same-sex marriage.

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[-] PlatypusXray@feddit.de 21 points 1 year ago

You may be right but I have been using Brave on iOS simply because you can’t just install Firefox and uBlock, and since I reconfigured the new tab page I haven’t seen any ads anywhere at all.

From now on, any browser that refuses to implement Google‘s evil shit should be worth a look.

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[-] Spedwell@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

At least there is a big (ish?) player in the Chromium-sphere pushing back against this.

The more browsers that don't initially support this, the slower adoption by web sites will be. If enough of the browser market share remains incompatibe, and if we're lucky, maybe this technology won't stick.

[-] LoafyLemon@kbin.social 85 points 1 year ago

I don't agree with Brave's business model, and the shady stuff they did, but the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[-] not2betruffledwith@lemmy.world 78 points 1 year ago

Had been using Brave for 4 years. Switched from it to Firefox after the Google DRM news came out. Firefox is awesome!

[-] Psythik@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I never liked Brave. The whole "allow ads to get awards" thing doesn't sit right with me. The only adblockers that do that are the ones that are in bed with the ad companies. Firefox with UBlock Origin and NoScript is all you need.

(I mean, there are other good addons for privacy as well, but it's easy to go down a rabbit hole and next thing you know you have 30 different extensions installed and websites are breaking. Then you have to start disabling things one-by-one until you find the culprit. Setting your security settings in FF to "Strict" and using those two addons should be good enough without going overboard.)

Edit: only thing that sucks about Firefox is that it still doesn't support HDR and RTX Video Super Resolution yet, so in the meantime I use the "Open in Chromium" browser extension when I'm watching videos on YouTube, so that they display properly with all the enhancements.

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[-] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

When Google chrome was released in 2008, I read about it in a tech magazine and it described how much it’s going to be spying on you. I was immediately put off by it, and decided not to install it. At the time I wondered why would anyone ever install this junk. Oh boy, was I in for a surprise! Pretty much everyone installed it, and within the next 10 years chrome had become the most popular browser.

Obviously, I never switched from FF.

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[-] mtchristo@lemm.ee 69 points 1 year ago

The DRM will be so interwoven into the core engine that they won't be able to remove it. chromium is a sinking ship

[-] Asudox@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago

Time to switch to Firefox as the base.

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[-] aksdb@feddit.de 30 points 1 year ago

It might be interwoven, but at the end there are three interfaces:

  1. the headers or tags that trigger it to be enabled for a website
  2. the API towards the attester
  3. the headers that are added to subsequent call to include the verdict of the attester

It should be enough to disable/sabotage nr. 1. If not, you can sabotage nr. 2 so it simply doesn't attest shit. And finally you can suppress adding the verdict to the responses.

If the actual "fingerprinting" or whatever else is in there is still intact doesn't matter if you just don't trigger it.

Of course webservers would simply deny serving brave then. But it's still a good move. The more browsers get "denied", the easier it will be to make a case against websites for some kind of discrimination.

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[-] TWeaK@lemm.ee 59 points 1 year ago

Brave have started their marketing spree to try and distract from their most recent controversy. Like clockwork, every time they do something controversial they start marketing to drum up new users.

[-] NickwithaC@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago

Just a reminder that Brendan Eich who founded Brave was ousted from Mozilla for being a homophobic piece of shit.

Brave is the edgelord of browsers.

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[-] gaw@lemmy.cafe 48 points 1 year ago

Brendan is quick to act when it comes to $$$$.. and anti LGBT law

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[-] Powerpoint@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago

Switched back to Firefox myself. Highly recommend.

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[-] drasticpotatoes@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago
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[-] UnknownQuantity@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

I don't get all the hate Brave gets. I understand that techies have some issues, but for me as a user I have nothing bad to say. Ads are blocked everywhere, including YouTube. There's an option to use tor...

If you don't like the crypto options don't use them. I always thought crypto was bunk, but I wish I bought a bunch of bitcoin when I first heard of it.

[-] kava@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

I don't like it because it's a chrome derivative. Sure, they use Chromium and can edit some things. But at the end of the day, they use the Chrome javascript engine and render the HTML/CSS however Google wants to. Therefore Google more or less defines how that browser represents the web. If Google wants to implement or not implement some web standard, Brave has to follow along whether they like it or not.

I want less power in Google'a hands, not more.

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[-] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 1 year ago

I don't understand.

There's loads of people for whom 3 or 4 sites make up 99% of "the web", and those sites will just stop working for people using browsers without WEI support.

I just don't really see how a browser could be viable in the future without WEI support.

[-] mrmanager@lemmy.today 96 points 1 year ago

And that's exactly the point. WEI makes it a world where big tech decides if they are going to support a competing browser, a competing operating system like Linux, or plugins against ads. They can also force you to have any number of plugins installed, from their choosing.

It destroys the free web completely.

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[-] ScaredDuck@sopuli.xyz 18 points 1 year ago

Surely a browser with a market share 2% that of Chrome's (not total!) doing this will change anything. Surely when Google implements this and your bank and government websites start requiring your browser be "secure" users aren't going to just switch back to chrome where "everything just works".

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[-] snowgrimm@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Don't care, still won't use out of principle.

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