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I was wondering , if you will be ready to work fof an organisation that you oppose ideologically , for instance you are against big oil but you get a job interview in exxonmobil with good pay , would you consider it ?

*Edit : Recently a friend of mine got a marketing job for a company that had shady business practices , selling their product to gullible parents. Since it was a marketing job , the pay was good but my friend left it within a week , saying it does not suit his ideology.

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[-] Widowmaker_Best_Girl@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Absolutely.

[-] HeroHiro@discuss.online 2 points 2 years ago

Yes 100%. I get why everyone would say no, but as someone currently living in poverty without enough money to eat every day, if I could make enough money to live comfortably and the job didn't kill my body I'd work for anyone as long as the job was legal. I'd probably just shit talk the company in my off time or something, it wouldn't matter because I'd be able to afford to have off time.

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago

Just finished rewatching Sorry to Bother You, and it deals with this dynamic wonderfully. Highly recommend anyone who works for a living watch it

[-] elscallr@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah, probably.

[-] luciferofastora@discuss.online 2 points 2 years ago

I sorta do? My employer has been making commitments to improving things, and I'm involved in one of those projects, but they're a very slow ship to turn and I can't say I 100% stand behind what they're generally doing.

I joined out of a mix of necessity, opportunism and the chance to develop new skills, and grew to like the specific job I'm doing. I didn't have many choices for private reasons, but needed the money when I signed up, so in a way the money was good enough to compromise on ethics.

I got a permanent position now, and again, I stuck for personal reasons, to improve my future prospects and because I like the job, but for all the security a permanent position offers, I'm still planning to start looking for different opportunities when circumstances allow, unless the internal culture makes some masive progress in the next two years.

In the medium run? Not sure. I'd like to think I'd compromise money over ideology, but I also know that I tend to be selfish and really good at mental gymnastics to justify decisions. I would probably not sign on with Exxon, so there's definitely the severity of opposition to account for, but there isn't any clear line that I'd swear my life on. On the other hand, if the money was enough to support political causes that I feel (or tell myself) would weigh up the toll on my conscience, I might fold.

In the long run, I hope to get to a point where I can answer that with a firm "No". Maybe once life stabilises, I'll grow firmer in my convictions. Maybe once the question of pay shifts from covering necessities to the amount of luxury I can afford, the exact number will lose meaning. Maybe I'll find a place that I both support fully and earn enough at that any more would feel obscene anyway.

So basically, it comes down to the factors of

  1. How strongly do I oppose the company?
  2. How much money, compared to what I need to live, and compared to what I need to support a pleasant lifestyle?
  3. Where am I on the scale from nihilism to idealism at the given point in time?
[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Everyone has their price. It's just a question of how much.

[-] InternetUser2012@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Depends on how good the good pay is.

[-] djsoren19@yiffit.net 2 points 2 years ago

Not only is the answer no, but I'm currently taking a pretty big pay cut to work for a non-profit that I believe in. When you work for scum you start to lose your soul, and it's hard to have any pride in your work knowing your only contribution is enriching your boss. Now my work goes towards a good cause, and I'm far more motivated to do well at my job.

[-] tiny@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago

I try to avoid to it but no job will be perfect. You could life style creep and that nice salary turns into handcuffs and you might have issues going back to making less at a more ethical company

[-] Electric_Druid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Any chance the friend's job was Vector Marketing or "Cutco" knives?

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[-] 1984@lemmy.today 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

All Googlers say yes.

I say no personally and have been turning down jobs where I despise the company.

[-] spiderman@ani.social 1 points 2 years ago

Depends on how well the pay is and whether there is a healthy stage for me to voice out my opinion on the things and whether they would respect that.

[-] UnicornKitty@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Nope. To be fair I wouldn't look at the sticker price if it was a company of ill repute. I would have to be offered the CEO of that company so I can fix it. Only way.

[-] Gerula@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

They cannot be corrupt and amoral in the same time. Please choose :)

[-] Steve@compuverse.uk 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

That all depends on the specifics of "good pay". I guarantee there is some amount of money that I'll accept to do practicaly any job. That may be far more than "good" though.

[-] Nemo@midwest.social 1 points 2 years ago

Nope! Already turned that real down decades ago.

[-] SlimeKnight@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Short answer, yes.

Long answer, it's easy to say you will die for a cause while in a cushy position. Sometimes you will have to do things you don't agree with to provide for your loved ones. My current job allows me to provide without compromising my morals, but it would be dishonest of me to say I wouldn't if it didn't. As such, I don't blame the people who have.

[-] Encryption@feddit.ch 1 points 2 years ago

Definitely not.

I think money can and will never play down the feeling of working for something/someone that is against your principles and ideology. Every day you get up to work, while drinking your morning coffee you will have thoughts and hate about the place you will start working after commuting.

And do not forget, you will mostly have friends with similar ideology, they will disapprove of this too. Good friends will stay nonetheless but discussions will arise portably more often than you’d like about your choosing a workplace that is against all you believe in.

When you just go and work wherever because the pay is good, then your ideology is not more than a façade you hold up for yourself.

[-] lol@lemy.lol 1 points 2 years ago

I'm studying to be a doctor specifically to avoid working for hugely unethical corporations. Even if I end up in the private sector (public healthcare is mostly free here), it'll be easier to justify saving lives vs. working for a defense contractor.

[-] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago

For the right money, I'd do most any job regardless of who it's with.

[-] msbeta1421@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

Yes. We will never be able to change the things we want to change unless we first understand them. Also, money.

[-] Driftking@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 years ago

Hell yeah. This planet is doomed anyway. I already do that earning a cool quarter mil a year. Honestlt couldn't give a shit about the rest of you

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